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Re: Come clean

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Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:26 pm
Mormon Egyptologists John Gee and Kerry Muhlestein know full well the true identity of the persons in Facsimile No. 3. But, never, ever, will John and Kerry come straight out and say that it's NOT Osiris sitting atop his divine throne in a funerary setting as understood by modern Egyptology, let alone the ancient Egyptians.
If they were to come clean and admit this, wouldn't they lose their jobs at BYU, their pensions, their standing in the Church, and potentially their Church membership and families? That seems like some very powerful reasons to maintain the Joseph Smith translation story.

Joseph was in a tough place too when Chandler brought him the mummies and scrolls. He had announced that he could translate ancient writings. His followers might think less of him if he refused. He probably reasoned that he could churn something out and nobody would ever be the wiser - at least at BYU.
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Re: Come clean

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Moksha wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:04 pm
Shulem wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:26 pm
Mormon Egyptologists John Gee and Kerry Muhlestein know full well the true identity of the persons in Facsimile No. 3. But, never, ever, will John and Kerry come straight out and say that it's NOT Osiris sitting atop his divine throne in a funerary setting as understood by modern Egyptology, let alone the ancient Egyptians.
If they were to come clean and admit this, wouldn't they lose their jobs at BYU, their pensions, their standing in the Church, and potentially their Church membership and families? That seems like some very powerful reasons to maintain the Joseph Smith translation story.

In more ways than one, they have already admitted it repeatedly. Both John and Kerry have academically on a public level admitted that their understanding of the text and persons in Facsimile No. 3, correspond with their Egyptological understanding and training which is based on modern science as taught in the great universities around the world. Both Gee and Muhlestein have no problem admitting who the persons are and are able to read the text in the registers that confirms the identity of those persons. Never at anytime, to my knowledge, would they commit academic suicide and deny that they can't read the writing and that those persons aren't who they know they are.

The point I was making earlier, these guys are taking unlicensed views and corrupting Egyptology in order to make room for Smith's erroneous interpretation of the figures and mistranslations of the text. They want their cake and eat it too. They can't have it both ways because one is right and the other is wrong. But these guys continue to talk out of both sides of their mouths, cheating, and play a game with false cards in their hands.
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Abraham, Joseph, and Moses in your midst

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Moksha wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:04 pm
Joseph was in a tough place too when Chandler brought him the mummies and scrolls. He had announced that he could translate ancient writings. His followers might think less of him if he refused. He probably reasoned that he could churn something out and nobody would ever be the wiser - at least at BYU.

You bring up a very good point. Take into consideration the background and rumors that were flying around the region about the mummies and papyrus -- they were thought to have been from biblical times and it was widely reported that they may well contain information of Moses or the prophets. This may be due in part to the excitement of having such things come to America combined with the ignorance of the day in thinking that artifacts of that import could actually be extracted and shipped to America without authentication and government oversite is rather ridiculous. But those were the times and the Mormons as well as other peoples in the region were quite willing to entertain speculation that genuine artifacts of biblical import had been uncovered and miraculously brought to America.

Smith was a man of his times and was influenced by his colleagues, family, and friends. He must have been excited when Egyptian artifacts rolled into Kirtland on Chandler's wagon and more especially that Chandler was personally seeking Smith to enquire about his rumored ability to translate Egyptian! That must have been a real shot in the arm for Smith -- a boost, a vote of confidence coming from a nonMormon who was a potential advocate for spreading good news about Joseph Smith the Mormon prophet. How could Smith pass on such an opportunity? It was a golden opportunity to once again capitalize on translating Egyptian, this time on papyrus rather than golden plates.

Smith jumped on it. He made arrangements to acquire the papyrus and with it came the mummies. As President of the Church he had the power to raise the money and prop up rumors that the Egyptian artifacts really were of biblical import and that through the miraculous sovereign will of God there would be new revelation given to the Church through the gift of translation which Smith claimed to possess.

It was an opportunity to exploit and make money and further glorify Smith's ability to show the ignorant world that he could translate a dead language and bring to life the lost stories of the patriarchs Abraham and Joseph.
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Re: All things in common

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3) Anubis don't BARK. He talks SMACK with the best of them.

The Articles of Egypt
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1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne.

2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Elkenah attempting to offer up Abraham as a sacrifice.

3. We believe that through the Sacrifice of Jah-oh-eh, all the Egyptians may be offered sacrifice upon an altar, called by the Egyptians Oliblish.
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A Pair of Egyptian Articles of Faith

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4th Article wrote: We believe that the first principles and ordinances of Abraham in Egypt are: first, Faith in The Angel of the Lord; second, The altar for sacrifice; third, Baptism by Raukeeyang for the pillars of heaven; fourth, Laying on of hands for the firmament over our heads.
5th Article wrote: We believe that a man must be called of God, by Shaumau, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in the king’s court, to preach the Kae-e-vanrash, and administer in the Enish-go-on-dosh; thereof.

Makes sense, right? That's Joe's Egyptian being put to good use.
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Line upon line, precept upon precept

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6th Article wrote:We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, Abraham, Kings, Princes, waiters, slaves, and so forth.
7th Article wrote:We believe in the gift of reasoning, prophecy, revelation, Key-words, Astronomy, interpretation of reasoning, and so forth.
8th Article wrote:We believe the Book of the Dead to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly by John Gee; we also believe writings that cannot be revealed unto the world to be the word of God.
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Is given as far as we have any right to give at the present time.

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9th Article wrote:We believe writings that cannot be revealed unto the world, ought not to be revealed at the present time, and we believe it will be given in the own due time of the Lord.
10th Article wrote:We believe in the literal gathering of earth in its four quarters and in the restoration of the Ten Kings; that Kolob (the New Oliblish,) will be built upon the Hah-ko-kau-beam; that Jah-oh-eh will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its Kli-flos-is-es, glory.
11th Article wrote:We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty Abraham, according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all Egyptians the same privilege, let them worship Libnah, Mahmackrah, Korash, and the idolatrous god of Pharaoh.
12th Article wrote:We believe in being subject to King Pharaoh, Princes, waiters, and slaves, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the principles of Astronomy, in the king’s court.
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Lucky number 13!

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13th Article wrote:We believe in being idolatrous, celestial, clothed with power, polite, reasonable, and in doing good to all Egyptians; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of King Pharaoh—We believe King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head, Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand, Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand, and Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince. If there is anything idolatrous, hieroglyphic, or emblematical or Egyptian for that matter, we seek after these things.
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Re: Is given as far as we have any right to give at the present time.

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Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:38 pm
12th Article wrote:We believe in being subject to King Pharaoh, Princes, waiters, and slaves, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the principles of Astronomy, in the king’s court.
Just in case Trump does regain power, perhaps it would be wise to add Despot to that list. Trump's hairdo could symbolize the waxing of Lower Egypt and the waning of Upper Egypt. Might want to add some sand to that skin bronzer for a bit more texture.
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One eared jackal

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Just in case Trump does regain power, perhaps it would be wise to add Despot to that list. Trump's hairdo could symbolize the waxing of Lower Egypt and the waning of Upper Egypt. Might want to add some sand to that skin bronzer for a bit more texture.

I don't know much about Trump's orange complexion but I will say that even Anubis has appeared in bronze color and on many occasions appeared with a single visible ear, but it doesn't make him any less a jackal.

Isn't that right, John Gee?

[X] 1 jackal ear
[X] 1 jackal eye
[X] 1 jackal nose

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Book of the Dead of Sesostris, 3rd to 2nd century b.c.
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