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Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:43 am
mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:27 am

The fact is, the church doctrine doesn’t allow for the intimate physical expression of homosexuality on its private campus or in campus approved housing.

Are there specific instances that can be presented that show BYU’s policies to be prejudicial towards the LGBTQ community?
You gave the answer before you asked the question.
Indeed. Answered and asked.
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At least the police didn't overreact.

BYU Police Lt. Jeff Long told the Daily Universe they had received three calls about the BYU Y rainbow lights, but said they didn’t respond because, “no crime was committed.”

“Flashlights don’t meet the elements of vandalism,” Long told the school paper.


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Shulem wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:42 pm
It wouldn't surprise me if the Mormon Police were to break up that kind of demonstration. Come together in a circle and silently act out the thoughts together. That would be a powerful demonstration! It would irk the leadership to no end!
The BYU Security Force and the Honor Committee would charge them with unauthorized thought.

“Flashlights don’t meet the elements of vandalism,” Long told the school paper.
Wait till Greg Smith writes an exposé of how flashlights can shine an undesired light on the harsh gospel for the Interpreter Journal.
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Lem wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:57 am
Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:43 am


You gave the answer before you asked the question.
Indeed. Answered and asked.
Jibberish.

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:50 am
So you’re saying that BYU should condone intimate homosexual behavior on campus or in campus approved housing? I’m truly interested in your response to this question.

Where am I giving any kind of opinion about what BYU should or shouldn't do?

The question that I'm responding to is this one. You asked:
mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:27 am
Are there specific instances that can be presented that show BYU’s policies to be prejudicial towards the LGBTQ community?
In the sentence before that, you had already answered your own question:
mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:27 am
The fact is, the church doctrine doesn’t allow for the intimate physical expression of homosexuality on its private campus or in campus approved housing.
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Lem wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:10 pm
dastardly stem wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:31 pm
I'd say the rising generations will win out even in the Church and the Church will have to cower on issues like those dealing with LGBTQ. Only old traditionalists will hold on to the notion that the Church is being influenced by the ways of the world when in 20 some odd years the Church changes its tune drastically--a new announced revelation gets added as an Official Declaration.

With that said I'm sure there are plenty of young BYU students complaining about LBGTQ support, hoping the Church nips the issue immediately. But it'll just come back harder in time, with more students realizing the foolishness of holding on to stupid archaic teaching and tradition. There's going to be some heads exploding, though, for sure.
Yes. What worries me is that admissions to BYU may now include a quiet witch hunt of sorts, trying to root out and then not admit anyone who might be lgbtq.
A fair concern. Its not like it hasn't happened before. They may say "we got to stop this heresy before it starts, let's turn up the heat on these kids".
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Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:43 am
mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:27 am

The fact is, the church doctrine doesn’t allow for the intimate physical expression of homosexuality on its private campus or in campus approved housing.

Are there specific instances that can be presented that show BYU’s policies to be prejudicial towards the LGBTQ community?
You gave the answer before you asked the question.
Lol
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I thought it looked pretty. BYU should set up a lighting system so they can color the Y along the lines of what the Empire State Building does.

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:18 am
Lem wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:57 am


Indeed. Answered and asked.
Jibberish.
As a friendly observation: it is possible you are equating the notion of 'prejudicial treatment' (per se) with what you may see as 'justifiable prejudicial treatment.' If that is the case, you need only drop the unwarranted qualifier 'justifiable' to see that what has been stated is not jibberish at all. Prejudicial treatment that that has been codified is no less prejudicial; stating that a policy is consistent with doctrine, laws, social norms, or what-have-you is immaterial to the question.

If that helps, then hallelujah. If not, never mind and please carry on enjoying your weekend.
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dastardly stem wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:26 pm
Lem wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:10 pm

Yes. What worries me is that admissions to BYU may now include a quiet witch hunt of sorts, trying to root out and then not admit anyone who might be lgbtq.
A fair concern. Its not like it hasn't happened before. They may say "we got to stop this heresy before it starts, let's turn up the heat on these kids".
And the Common Application now contains an optional question intended to help with inclusivity, but sadly could be used to accomplish that.

How can a student express their gender identity?

Within the profile section, in addition to the sex question, there is an optional free response text field that gives applicants a place to further describe their gender identity. They can use the open response field or the "additional information" prompt within the writing section to share any information they wish for colleges to know. Some colleges also ask additional questions in order to receive the data most needed for their individual campus process.

https://recsupport.commonapp.org/recomm ... r-identity
Here’s some history
Two national applications will offer applicants the chance to move past the traditional gender binary in classifying themselves.
By Scott Jaschik
April 26, 2016

In 2010, advocates for students who don't identify as straight or conforming to one gender asked the Common Application to add optional questions on gender identity and sexual orientation. In 2011, the Common Application declined to do so. While some colleges in the intervening years started to ask such questions, they represent only a small minority of the institutions to which students apply.

This week, that's changing. Both the Common Application and the Universal College Application are changing their applications to make it easy for applicants who do not identify as either male or female to describe how they wish to be identified. While the applications are not at this time adding a question on sexual orientation, there are other places on the application where one could offer such information....

Both [the Common and the Universal] applications will continue to ask about gender in the traditional way, with officials of both applications saying that their member institutions want the close alignment with the way the federal government and other entities track data. But these questions will be rephrased in ways that acknowledge that this answer may not reflect students' identities. The Universal question will now be "legal sex." The Common App question will now be "sex assigned at birth."

The Common Application will then have a free response box for students to indicate additional information, such as transgender status. Universal will follow its legal question with an optional gender identity question where people will be given the choices of man, woman or self-identify (with a free response box for those who check it)....

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... applicants
In theory, Title IV would prevent discrimination against students on the basis of this information, but BYU doesn’t have a good record of adhering to Title IV standards.
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