BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

[Lem]

Gay people may be a minority, though, but people with gay friends or family are not. Most people know some gay people. Used to be, they didn’t know that they knew them. Now they more likely do.

Less likely if it's a GA. You reminded me that another reason why same-sex relations may very well become accepted before the Church deals with other social issues like women and the priesthood. There likely have been many gay GAs already, but in the closet. In fact, it's almost unthinkable that out of the thousands of GAs over the centuries, that none have been gay.

An additional bump might come one day if a well respected GA turns out to be gay, and comes out during one of the important temple ceremonies, and garners sympathy from his peers. I don't see that happening with the current leadership. But 10-20 years from now there will definitely be a higher sympathy level, even if it doesn't rise to acceptance. One who has enough backing from the Brethren to come out publicly, even if its to announce a life of celibacy positively embraced, will still chip away at perceptions of gospel norms.

Also several prominent children and relatives of GAs have been gay, If I recall correctly. I'm sure there were more in the past, but shunning was far more common, so maybe we are just hearing about it more now. Maybe it is a good interim step to at least be slightly more openly accepting.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

My uncle had a gay son leave for San Fransisco. My last memory of him was a saxophone solo he was allowed to play as a farewell. It was so odd looking back on it, but amazing, nevertheless. The piece was so loud, powerful, and sad.

Anyway, I recall my mother muttering something about him being gay. She didn't seem too happy about it.

Sad.

- Doc

[Dr. Sunstoned]

The church responds to pressure. Pressure from the outside (polygamy and priesthood restrictions) and sometimes pressure from members (Policy of exclusion). Granted, it takes a lot of pressure to initiate any change. Anything to do with money, or the potential loss of money will get the COB's attention. I believe pressure is mounting to require the church to be equable, inclusive, and accepting of the LDBTQ community. The church is losing members, the tithe paying kind, and their current polices are a big part of this problem. The pressure is mounting. The lighting of the Y is an open example of this. The protests are getting louder and bolder. Change is a coming.

[Moksha]

Shulem,

It's Quinn's Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans A Mormon Example'. Both Joseph Smith and BY loved to snuggle with men. Also, lots of same sex passionate letter writing, kisses, hand holding, etc. If you did this Crap today, at BYU, your ass would be gone.

- Doc

That's because BYU students have been restricted from certain miracles like taking equal parts instant coffee, whole milk, and sugar and creating Dalgona Coffee. Joseph Smith and BY could do this because they were not forced to sign an "honor code" document restricting their rights.

[IHAQ]

The church responds to pressure. Pressure from the outside (polygamy and priesthood restrictions) and sometimes pressure from members (Policy of exclusion). Granted, it takes a lot of pressure to initiate any change. Anything to do with money, or the potential loss of money will get the COB's attention. I believe pressure is mounting to require the church to be equable, inclusive, and accepting of the LDBTQ community. The church is losing members, the tithe paying kind, and their current polices are a big part of this problem. The pressure is mounting. The lighting of the Y is an open example of this. The protests are getting louder and bolder. Change is a coming.

I think the announced intention to hire Professors for whom faith promotion trumps scholarship is an attempt to fight this pressure. It'll be a cold day in hell when the Church takes a position in the lead of any societal change.

[mentalgymnast]

The church responds to pressure. Pressure from the outside (polygamy and priesthood restrictions) and sometimes pressure from members (Policy of exclusion). Granted, it takes a lot of pressure to initiate any change. Anything to do with money, or the potential loss of money will get the COB's attention. I believe pressure is mounting to require the church to be equable, inclusive, and accepting of the LDBTQ community. The church is losing members, the tithe paying kind, and their current polices are a big part of this problem. The pressure is mounting. The lighting of the Y is an open example of this. The protests are getting louder and bolder. Change is a coming.

As I’ve mentioned previously, in this instance I think we are looking at something different. Intimate homosexual behavior/practice strikes at the very core of human reproduction and the continuation of the human race, and thus the family of God. It strikes at the very core of family relationships that encourage the bearing and nurturing children through the instrumentality of a mother and a father.

I think you are mistaken to think that change is coming. Yes, the church and its members will continue to value and respect those that are gay/lesbian. But the doctrinal foundations of the importance of the procreative powers being exercised between a man and a woman...the way our biology is designed...is more important to members and leaders of the church...and God...than the winds that are blowing about in society.

I don’t think you’ll see BYU become permissive of what is considered to be immoral behavior. We are at a time when, as the Book of Mormon says, we are seeing good called evil and evil called good.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

As I’ve mentioned previously, in this instance I think we are looking at something different. Intimate homosexual behavior/practice strikes at the very core of human reproduction and the continuation of the human race, and thus the family of God. It strikes at the very core of family relationships that encourage the bearing and nurturing children through the instrumentality of a mother and a father.

Regards,
MG

Have you lost your mind? Have you no sense of reality -- can't you count? Homosexual love is not striking against anyone or anything. Love is love and science has pretty much counted that about 6-10% of the human population is LGBTQ in some form or fashion because that is the way they are programed genetically and made to function. The human race will continue to populate and exist off of the 90-94% of straight people who like to have heterosexual sex because that is how they are wired and that is what they naturally like.

To turn it around, it's the Mormons that STRIKE against the gays by telling them not to do that because it's evil and goes against "our" God's wishes.

As for me, I repopulated the earth and biologically assisted in bringing 2 children to this earth while faithfully serving in the church -- ever striving to live the lie in order to keep the commandments and abide within the testimony that I thought/felt was true.

But now, I can tell you, GOD doesn't care about who you love just so long as you love and grow together in a manner that is pleasing and harmonious with peace and goodwill. I KNOW, 100% that Mormonism is wrong. I absolutely know it just as I know the sun rose yesterday and will rise again tomorrow. It's not based on faith! It's based on pure knowledge and understanding that can't be swayed by religious bigots who won't let go of their hatred towards what others do to maintain their own happiness and life's journey, pursuing it within the confounds of their own conscious. But the Mormons are a vicious people who strike out against LGBT trying to get people to think it's evil and must not be practiced. How many relationships has the Mormon church killed? I tell you, what the Mormons do in the name of their self-righteous religion is second to murder. And you, sir, support that -- because you're evil.

You sir, go to hell.

[IHAQ]

As I’ve mentioned previously, in this instance I think we are looking at something different. Intimate homosexual behavior/practice strikes at the very core of human reproduction and the continuation of the human race, and thus the family of God. It strikes at the very core of family relationships that encourage the bearing and nurturing children through the instrumentality of a mother and a father.

Regards,
MG

You've only ever had sex on those few occasions where you were specifically trying to impregnate your partner?
It's no wonder you're such a troll...

[mentalgymnast]

As I’ve mentioned previously, in this instance I think we are looking at something different. Intimate homosexual behavior/practice strikes at the very core of human reproduction and the continuation of the human race, and thus the family of God. It strikes at the very core of family relationships that encourage the bearing and nurturing children through the instrumentality of a mother and a father.

Regards,
MG

You've only ever had sex on those few occasions where you were specifically trying to impregnate your partner?
It's no wonder you're such a troll...

...people often call other people names due to their own low self-esteem and the name-calling is usually not about the target but instead a reflection of their own insecurities.

Regards,
MG

[Themis]

As I’ve mentioned previously, in this instance I think we are looking at something different. Intimate homosexual behavior/practice strikes at the very core of human reproduction and the continuation of the human race, and thus the family of God. It strikes at the very core of family relationships that encourage the bearing and nurturing children through the instrumentality of a mother and a father.

That would be very inaccurate. It's a natural behavior found in many species around the world, including humans. It hasn't impacted reproduction or the continuation of any species. At worst it is neutral, which is why we see it persist in thousands of different species. Try to learn some facts before forming ignorant opinions.