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BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:33 pm
by IHAQ
The backdrop to the story
The group’s lighting of the iconic “Y” in rainbow colors came on the anniversary of when the school, along with the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that owns it, sent out a letter in March 2020 clarifying its stance on same-sex romantic behavior.

The month prior, the university had quietly removed the section banning “all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings” from its strict Honor Code that outlines what behavior is allowed by those who attend the conservative school.

LGBTQ students had celebrated what they hoped that it meant, kissing in front of statues at BYU and holding hands. And many said they came out as gay only because they believed — and were told by some Honor Code staff — that the school now allowed it.

But they say that was ripped away with a painful reversal when leaders said three weeks later that just because the section was taken out of the code, it didn’t change anything and their relationships were still “not compatible” with the rules at BYU.

Talbot, a senior, said the event Thursday was as much a commemoration of that day, as well as a condemnation of it. Many, he added, still feel gaslit.

“That day felt like a betrayal for a lot of LGBTQ students,” Talbot said. “It was traumatic. So this was a day for us to reclaim that and try to turn it into something positive.”
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... byu-light/

So what happened?
About 40 students and allies took part in lighting the “Y.” The group had spent days ahead of time, mapping out the 380-foot tall letter and determining where they would need to stand along its borders to light it up.

They met at the trailhead after dark Thursday for the one-mile hike, a faint outline of the snowcapped mountain and the white letter on its side barely visible. Only a few houses and street lamps were lit up below. Most of the students were bundled tight in coats and hats and gloves.

“If BYU won’t show their love to us, we’re going to make sure our love is visible to them,” Danny Niemann, a senior and gay student at the school, said before starting the climb.

The participants were assigned a color and a spot on the “Y” to hold their light so that the letter would appear in rainbow stripes from red at the top to purple at the bottom. When they turned on the flashlights — 76 in total — and turned them toward the concrete, the bright shape could be seen across Provo, with people commenting and posting pictures on social media from miles away.
What was BYU's reaction?
With the growing attention, the school sent out a brief tweet noting: “BYU did not authorize the lighting of the Y tonight.”
And the school added in a later tweet Thursday that “any form of public expression on university property requires prior approval.”
...the display had so much support that the students were also greeted on their way down by fans, who circled in their cars blasting songs, including “Born This Way” and “I Kissed a Girl,” from their speakers.
Activism and unrest is the only thing BYU and the Church listen to. The only reason BYU has come up with a plan to tackle the institutionalised and systemic racism that exists is because students produced an extensive petition and BYU were in jeopardy of coming under government censure. The same levels of activism and unrest need to be exerted on BYU for the institutionalised and systemic homophobia that exists there.

I applaud these students and encourage them to remain vociferous in their peaceful public demonstrations. I hope the government and other universities take notice. It's time to Boycott BYU yet again. In 2021 a university riddled with racism and homophobia should not be allowed to continue within decent society. It needs to be ostracised.

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:55 pm
by Moksha
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It might be wise for these BYU students to seek sanctuary in Salt Lake County.

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:04 pm
by Meadowchik
Bold youth trying to share light with the world is pretty much a Mormon tradition. This is one of the better examples, BRAVO to them!

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:36 pm
by IHAQ
Meadowchik wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:04 pm
Bold youth trying to share light with the world is pretty much a Mormon tradition. This is one of the better examples, BRAVO to them!
Bravo indeed. Good on them, I hope they persist and other University increase the pressure.
Students at Brigham Young University wore rainbow colors this week in support of the LGBTQ campus community, a year after the school said what it characterized as “same-sex romantic behavior” was prohibited and would lead to discipline under school code.

“Color The Campus” organizer Bradley Talbot said even though it was a year ago, LGBTQ students on the northern Utah private campus continue to face challenges, KUTV-TV reported.

“It needs to be addressed and it still hasn’t,” he said.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/ ... 1f133.html
Last February, BYU deleted the words “homosexual behavior” from the school's honor code, causing confusion among LGBTQ students over what is and what is not allowed.

The code prohibited sexual activity outside of marriage, but same-sex couples publicly lauded the code change and shared pictures of themselves holding hands and kissing their partners.

Church leaders a month later clarified the change in a statement saying any “same-sex romance” was a violation of the school's honor code.

Organizers of the one-year anniversary marking the rule change said they were frustrated that school officials never explained the decision.

“There has been silence from BYU since then with no explanation as to why that occurred. It was very harmful and we are still feeling that today,” Talbot told KUTV-TV.
In response to the push to wear rainbow colors, photos were shared online encouraging people to carry umbrellas to campus as a counter-protest.

The flyers included the word “FamProc,” a reference to “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” which is a statement that defines the position of leaders from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on marriage and gender roles.

The university said in a post on Twitter that the fliers were not “a university-approved/sponsored event” and that efforts were being made to have them removed.
BYU is a deeply divided student body because of a lack of clear leadership and communication. Of course, the FamProc brigade aren't that bright because they've just legitimised the Rainbow campaign by showing there is a problem for gay people on BYU.

You can't think it

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:42 pm
by Shulem
And the school added in a later tweet Thursday that “any form of public expression on university property requires prior approval.”

Sounds like communist control and a religious cult.

How about students come together in a circle and THINK with their minds by visualizing in their minds that they are freely showing public expression of affection that is banned by the University. Nobody can STOP them from thinking it. If they gather together for a 15 minutes of silence and make it known that they are gathered together thinking about doing the acts but not actually doing them, how will University officials respond to that? Will they tell the students that they aren't allowed to come together in a circle and pretend to do such things in their own thoughts?

It wouldn't surprise me if the Mormon Police were to break up that kind of demonstration. Come together in a circle and silently act out the thoughts together. That would be a powerful demonstration! It would irk the leadership to no end!

I think Shulem has come up with a great idea! Hey, if you can't actually do it at least they can think it! Then watch the Church go crazy trying to control what they can and can't think!

:lol:

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:31 pm
by dastardly stem
I'd say the rising generations will win out even in the Church and the Church will have to cower on issues like those dealing with LGBTQ. Only old traditionalists will hold on to the notion that the Church is being influenced by the ways of the world when in 20 some odd years the Church changes its tune drastically--a new announced revelation gets added as an Official Declaration.

With that said I'm sure there are plenty of young BYU students complaining about LBGTQ support, hoping the Church nips the issue immediately. But it'll just come back harder in time, with more students realizing the foolishness of holding on to stupid archaic teaching and tradition. There's going to be some heads exploding, though, for sure.

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:10 pm
by Lem
dastardly stem wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:31 pm
I'd say the rising generations will win out even in the Church and the Church will have to cower on issues like those dealing with LGBTQ. Only old traditionalists will hold on to the notion that the Church is being influenced by the ways of the world when in 20 some odd years the Church changes its tune drastically--a new announced revelation gets added as an Official Declaration.

With that said I'm sure there are plenty of young BYU students complaining about LBGTQ support, hoping the Church nips the issue immediately. But it'll just come back harder in time, with more students realizing the foolishness of holding on to stupid archaic teaching and tradition. There's going to be some heads exploding, though, for sure.
Yes. What worries me is that admissions to BYU may now include a quiet witch hunt of sorts, trying to root out and then not admit anyone who might be lgbtq.

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:27 am
by mentalgymnast
IHAQ wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:33 pm

What was BYU's reaction?
With the growing attention, the school sent out a brief tweet noting: “BYU did not authorize the lighting of the Y tonight.”
And the school added in a later tweet Thursday that “any form of public expression on university property requires prior approval.”
Both of these are true statements.

Notice that BYU did not stop the participants from lighting the Y. They could have turned on the bright white lights to drown out the colored lights, but they did not.

Again, much ado about nothing.

The fact is, the church doctrine doesn’t allow for the intimate physical expression of homosexuality on its private campus or in campus approved housing.

Are there specific instances that can be presented that show BYU’s policies to be prejudicial towards the LGBTQ community?

Participation in the acts of intimate homosexual activity are against the doctrinal teachings of the church. Are there those here that would have BYU change their policies so as to come out in direct opposition to church doctrine?

Regards,
MG

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:43 am
by Morley
mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:27 am

The fact is, the church doctrine doesn’t allow for the intimate physical expression of homosexuality on its private campus or in campus approved housing.

Are there specific instances that can be presented that show BYU’s policies to be prejudicial towards the LGBTQ community?
You gave the answer before you asked the question.

Re: BYU did not authorise the lighting of the Y...

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:50 am
by mentalgymnast
Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:43 am
mentalgymnast wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:27 am

The fact is, the church doctrine doesn’t allow for the intimate physical expression of homosexuality on its private campus or in campus approved housing.

Are there specific instances that can be presented that show BYU’s policies to be prejudicial towards the LGBTQ community?
You gave the answer before you asked the question.
So you’re saying that BYU should condone intimate homosexual behavior on campus or in campus approved housing? I’m truly interested in your response to this question.

I thought it went without saying that this expectation was simply a given. BYU cannot be permissive towards that which is considered to be doctrinally unsound.

My original question remains unanswered thus far.

Regards,
MG