Radio Free Mormon Bombshell -- Another First Vision Account

[Moksha]

Uh, it sounds like there's a missing page and they're just guessing what it is. It could be a First Vision account, or it could be treasure digging, or an unusual version of the Moroni story, or anything else. There's no actual evidence of what was on the page(s).

It might have been a reference about young Nahum being named after the altar donated to the Temple of Sheba by the Nihmite family. Because the greatest of all Book of Mormon proofs was unknown to Joseph Fielding Smith, he might have cut it out prematurely.

Or it might have contained the earliest known record of the Word of Wisdom:

Dear Joseph,

If your guys miss the spittoon one more time while speculating around the cracker barrel, then you clean it up. Same goes for those whiskey bottles.

Sincerely, your Wife,
Emma

[dastardly stem]

We still have a reason to side more with Quinn on this. There remains no record of the first vision until 1832. If Joseph told Knight about it, one must wonder why he didn't tell anyone else? it certainly could be that Joseph told Knight about a first vision, and told his father, as he said, and told his mom, brothers and other friends and acquaintances, and since God-dreaming was a thing and still is, none of them might not have made any real note of it. And that may be exactly why we don't see it in the historical record until 12 years later. But again, many things are possibilities. I can't figure out why guessing what might have happened is anything near a bombshell. I only point that out because it's being talked about here and it's a bit disappointing to be riding my bike, listening intently, getting a bit of a build up for a bombshell only to be disappointed by "it may possibly contain something about his first vision story".

Funny thing, I remembered the story about Knight after or upon reading Quinn. It's certainly interesting to consider the records may still be out there and may give us more insight into Joseph Smith' story. So that's a plus.

[consiglieri]

One thing we know is that the Joseph Knight Sr. history of Joseph Smith was written on or after 1833.

We also know it is written in strict chronological order.

What remains starts in 1823 with Joseph’s first visit to the hill.

Smith did not meet Knight until 1825.

And Knight recounts their meeting.

Once again in chronological order.

Positing the missing first part contains an account of Smith treasure digging for Knight would be contrary to the chronology observed throughout the remaining ten pages.

And would posit Knight recounted his meeting with Smith twice.

[Shulem]

One thing we know is that the Joseph Knight Sr. history of Joseph Smith was written on or after 1833.

How could it be "on" 1833 when clearly the record dates to 1835. Tom first posted on this earlier in this thread and then I posted this which you had not commented on:

Good catch

[consiglieri]

1835 is on or after 1833, nez pas?

LOL

[Shulem]

1835 is on or after 1833, nez pas?

LOL

Well, look at this way:

Imagine telling a black male member of the church in 1977 that 1978 is on or after 1976. So, if 1978 is on 1976 then that means he can be ordained in 1977.

Capeesh?

[cinepro]

One interesting spin in Knight's version of the story is that Martin Harris is sent to Charles Anthon to see if Anthon will translate the Book of Mormon. Anthon says he will translate it if he can have the original, but Harris says that's not possible and Anthon throws a fit. Only after that does Joseph decide to try and translate the plates himself.

[consiglieri]

That WAS interesting!

Did you notice the super important church history event NOT mentioned?

[cinepro]

Did you notice the super important church history event NOT mentioned?

Yes, there's no mention of the priesthood restoration(s).

[Shulem]

Did you notice the super important church history event NOT mentioned?

Yes, there's no mention of the priesthood restoration(s).

Oh come on dudes! The visitation of the Three-White-Men and the priesthood ordination under their hands is well documented in the Church. Joseph and Oliver even dressed up and combed their hair for the occasion.

Look: