Church News Article Says: Get Your House in Order!

[SLCC alum]

I’ve never met anyone who thinks that the nuclear family is a bad idea. But maybe we should consider the pros and cons of having humans grown in test tubes and purposefully having some people become alphas, others betas etc. And for sexual release people could get together and chant “orgy-porgy.” The pros are that we wouldn’t have to worry about sexual permissiveness or abortions. Drug addiction would also be taken care of in this brave new world.

I guess I disagree with the notion that if families could return to the way they were in Leave it to Beaver where mom and dad slept in different beds then all of society’s problems would be taken care of. Yes, the nuclear family is ideal but that ain’t reality and it’s not a panacea. I also don’t understand the idea that government programs are going to replace the family. Where is this happening? I’m all for families (who isn’t?) but also why not get all the help you can get from evidence based programs from the government or wherever.

[Moksha]

The LDS ideal of Dad on the farm, Mom in the kitchen, Junior hawking the Deseret News on the street corner, and Sister visiting old Mr. Ogelby to size her up as the newest sister-wife left something to be desired, even if the Church received their 10% cut on a regular basis.

[huckelberry]

Test for what is terribly wrong in the world from my perspective as an evangelical.

Look in my right hand holding a Bible and you,world,ask yourself this question : How much time do “you” spend reading in the Bible, and “listening “ to the Lord about what in your life matters to God, then how much time do you spend acting on your relationship with the Lord?

Now look at the Iphone in my left hand and ask : how much time do you,world, spend on/using your Iphone each day?

Then think about it! What’s terribly wrong in the world and it is corrupt morally is a matter ,at the core, of distraction of time spent in the Bible versus on the Iphone!

Let the attacks begin- I have a bullet proof Bible over my heart!

Just tryin to figure things out,
k

Kairos, I have some sympathy for your post here but you sound like you are expecting some pushback. Perhaps it is not all bad to get a little from a relatively friendly source.

I find the Bible is used by the Holy Spirit to confront people in a dynamic and revelatory fashion. People are converted. The Bible also offers wisdom from peoples experience. It is a format where faith is shared with people of the past looking towards people of the future. I believe the Bible is important.

I find myself wondering about how much time should be spent reviewing words from people who lived two to three thousand years ago.I see some danger or perhaps temptation to allow the Bible to be an escape, a place to hide. I think it is important to be involved in the conditions faith hopes and fears of people living now. One should be alert and alive to the present to hear what God is saying now.

I am sure Bible study can be good. My suspicious side wonders how many times a Bible verse needs to be studied to learn how to best avoid and forget its call.

[Physics Guy]

A number of Bible studies end up worrying over problematic verses and explaining them away "in light of" other verses. Don't ask too much about how that particular set of texts got defined as sacred Scripture, but assume that the whole body of Scripture is an indivisible seamless robe that must interpret itself. The problem is that even if it were free of seams it wouldn't be free of wrinkles. On the contrary it is full of woven-in defects that make it impossible to lay the whole thing out flat. You can push the wrinkles around, and hang the garment differently, but it will always have some stretching or hanging loose, somewhere.

So everybody does hang it differently, letting this spot lie flat while the other part stretches—or the other way round. If you insist that nobody can pick and choose doctrines, still everyone actually does, by picking their canon-within-the-canon of favourite verses that get interpreted straightforwardly, and then applying gymnastics to distort the opposing verses into something that fits.

If you attend enough Bible studies it's hard not to see that pattern eventually. If people keep on insisting that the Bible is this perfect oracle then it's all pretty dishonest. If you don't expect that, though, it's not a big problem. A map doesn't have to be perfect to be useful, and even a good map isn't the territory.

Why do you seek the living among the dead?

[dastardly stem]

Test for what is terribly wrong in the world from my perspective as an evangelical.

Look in my right hand holding a Bible and you,world,ask yourself this question : How much time do “you” spend reading in the Bible, and “listening “ to the Lord about what in your life matters to God, then how much time do you spend acting on your relationship with the Lord?

Now look at the Iphone in my left hand and ask : how much time do you,world, spend on/using your Iphone each day?

Then think about it! What’s terribly wrong in the world and it is corrupt morally is a matter ,at the core, of distraction of time spent in the Bible versus on the Iphone!

Let the attacks begin- I have a bullet proof Bible over my heart!

Just tryin to figure things out,
k

Don't people access the Bible on their iPhone? Even as a believer I had a hard time understanding the idea that ones reliance in the Bible should be used as a measure of what's wrong and what's right. It seems in nearly every measure the Bible fails in helping people determine truth and error, right and wrong, good and bad.

[Dr Moore]

Callister seems to be jockeying for a counselor position when Oaks ascends.

How else to interpret this line in May 2021?

This is the modus operandi of Satan.

His plan is in direct opposition to the family proclamation. It is an insidious attempt to destroy the nuclear family and God’s moral values. He disguises ... “love and compassion” for endorsement of same-sex marriage

So according to Callister, Satan is the author of same-sex marriage. Doesn't get any clearer than that.


Also, this gem:

[Satan's plan disguises]
... “environmental emergency” for promotion of a zero-growth population agenda. Each of these proposals, however, constitutes a frontal attack on the family unit and its survival.

And how does that work? What the hell kind of nonsensical argument is this?

Global population is 7.8 billion. Just keeping pace with mortality (0% population growth) means roughly 8 births per 1,000 people per year. That compares with roughly 17.5 per 1,000 people today. In any case, 8 per 1,000 on a global population of 7.8 billion means 62 million babies born per year, or 170,958 babies born every day. Quite a few swings at bat for the family unit and its survival.


Can no one see that labeling same-sex marriage "Satanic" per Callister negatively impacts roughly 3% of the population and, more importantly, a much larger proportion of extended families? That statements like these constitute a massive "frontal attack" on the family unit and its survival? The twisted irony is that toxic comments like these by Mormon leadership comprise not only a frontal attack, but a clear and present danger to the survival of family units. My own experience confirms this problem, as I personally have two families in my grandparental family tree that are now in a sad fractured state of hurt and alienation, entirely thanks to failed Mormon leadership in the realm of "love and compassion."

[huckelberry]

A number of Bible studies end up worrying over problematic verses and explaining them away "in light of" other verses. Don't ask too much about how that particular set of texts got defined as sacred Scripture, but assume that the whole body of Scripture is an indivisible seamless robe that must interpret itself. The problem is that even if it were free of seams it wouldn't be free of wrinkles. On the contrary it is full of woven-in defects that make it impossible to lay the whole thing out flat. You can push the wrinkles around, and hang the garment differently, but it will always have some stretching or hanging loose, somewhere.

So everybody does hang it differently, letting this spot lie flat while the other part stretches—or the other way round. If you insist that nobody can pick and choose doctrines, still everyone actually does, by picking their canon-within-the-canon of favourite verses that get interpreted straightforwardly, and then applying gymnastics to distort the opposing verses into something that fits.

If you attend enough Bible studies it's hard not to see that pattern eventually. If people keep on insisting that the Bible is this perfect oracle then it's all pretty dishonest. If you don't expect that, though, it's not a big problem. A map doesn't have to be perfect to be useful, and even a good map isn't the territory.

Why do you seek the living among the dead?

Physics guy, that is a nicely memorable description. I am of the view that the Bible is easier to relate to if its crumpled qualities are not hidden. Do you think more people in Germany are comfortable seeing faults or tangles in the Bible? It may be difficult to completely avoid to urge to get it all ironed out flat. That is probably a natural urge even without carrying about the burdensome doctrine of inerrancy.

[Moksha]

[Satan's plan disguises]
... “environmental emergency” for promotion of a zero-growth population agenda. Each of these proposals, however, constitutes a frontal attack on the family unit and its survival.

And how does that work? What the hell kind of nonsensical argument is this?

Elder Callister is requesting that LDS families pump out kids in record numbers so tithing revenues will not plummet.

[Sledge]

Don't people access the Bible on their iPhone? Even as a believer I had a hard time understanding the idea that ones reliance in the Bible should be used as a measure of what's wrong and what's right. It seems in nearly every measure the Bible fails in helping people determine truth and error, right and wrong, good and bad.

Yeah, as a whole, the Bible is a pretty messed up book. I think there are ways one can feel inspiration from god by studying some parts of it, but most of it is primitive, barbaric, and very contradictory.

[dastardly stem]

Yeah, as a whole, the Bible is a pretty messed up book. I think there are ways one can feel inspiration from god by studying some parts of it, but most of it is primitive, barbaric, and very contradictory.

On the bolded portion. Can we suggest that is true of many books? I mean nearly all? Some people can seemingly feel inspiration by any parts of any book? And why would someone include god as being part of that inspiration? Or perhaps, what is inspiration?