In 2013 Russell M. Nelson opened a stake in Armenia, what happened next?

[Rivendale]

no messing with free will, no messing with existing natural laws, no appearing to people (no one is holy enough), etc.

Labon's severed head would like a word with you. Mormon God messes with natural laws all the time. The Red Sea being parted, ...... ( I like the use of those because it is used all over in apologetic circles). And free will is always messed with. A sword comes to mind commanding something against Joseph's so called reluctance. Seems like there always has to be this fuzzy communication unless it is really bombastic like the destruction of entire cities that go unrecorded by contemporary sources. Nevertheless there is this persistence of ongoing restoration. Mormon God gets stage fright as human technology expands to record his movements. Like hiding objects or manipulating DNA. But the existence of counter intuitive logic like Danial Peterson use of the Ramanujan summation as an example of how the seemingly irrationality of adding the sum of 1-1+1-1+1...... to infinity is actually 1/2 as supporting evidence for the irrationality being rational. Not good ground rules.

[Gadianton]

who put the Russell M. Nelson in Armenia?

[Gabriel]

who put the Russell M. Nelson in Armenia?

Bullseye!

[Dr Moore]

I didn't respond because I assumed you understood what my point was. Is there a timeline on the freshness of the prophecy for it to be a prophecy? In other words, does it matter if the prediction came 7 years ago or 7 minutes ago? Sure, it was 7 years in the making. God inspired our leaders to undertake studies and trials to make sure the home-centered church would work. Remember god still has to work within the rules (e.g. don't mess with free will, don't subvert natural laws, etc.)

Cherry picking.

[Dr Moore]

Nelson: we are hard at work, changing church from 3 hrs to 2. What a miracle!!! Hallelujah to God and the Lamb!!! Now those suffering and dying from the virus can do so in the privacy of their own home. God certainly is smiling upon us.

Exactly. Millions die, including thousands of church members. Nothing, absolutely nothing, of real help here. And yet members trip over themselves to credit Nelson with home-centered church as a sign of prophecy.

Covid-19 exposed Nelson and all of the Q15 to be prophetically impotent.

[consiglieri]

Prior to the pandemic devastating the world, was the time when a prophet needed to stand up and be counted. Instead, fake prophet nelson changes schedules while dancing with sparklers in his hand, hoping no one will notice. What's the point of having a prophet if he can't help the people avoid the big catastrophes? Do we really need schedule changer r us? What a fraud.

Hey Nelson, there is a virus killing a bunch of people all over the world. What does God want us to do? You supposedly have an in with God and supposedly you are his spokesperson. So, what do we do? Is there a cure that maybe God can provide?

Nelson: we are hard at work, changing church from 3 hrs to 2. What a miracle!!! Hallelujah to God and the Lamb!!! Now those suffering and dying from the virus can do so in the privacy of their own home. God certainly is smiling upon us.

Yes, of course reductio ad absurdum! Genius.

Here's something to think about. If you were god (the Mormon version), how would you have warned people about the upcoming pandemic? Remember, you have to abide by the Mormon god rules: no messing with free will, no messing with existing natural laws, no appearing to people (no one is holy enough), etc.

I don’t know.

Did God tell Joseph Smith the Civil War was coming?

[Dr Moore]

Within 3 years the stake Russell M. Nelson organised, that he prophesied would stand and be added to, gets disbanded.

May 2021

Recently, the Church posted on its meetinghouse locator website that both of the districts in Armenia have been discontinued. Also, all of the branches in Armenia except for four branches (the Arabkir, Artashat, Vanadzor, and Yerevan Central Branches) have been discontinued which resulted in the number of branches decreasing from 11 to four. This is an unprecedented development for the Church in Armenia where a stake briefly operated between 2013 and 2016. Some of the branches discontinued were the only branches of the Church in the city where they operated. Moreover, some of these branches, such as Gyumri, had as many as 65 active members 7-9 years ago. The Church in Armenia had nearly 3,600 members as of year-end 2019 which means that, with year-end 2019 membership totals, the Church in Armenia has the highest ratio of members-to-congregations of approximately 900. There has not been any other country in the world to have experienced such a dramatic decline in congregations, national outreach, and active membership as Armenia during the past several decades of the worldwide Church.

http://ldschurchgrowth.blogspot.com/202 ... menia.html

So what has happened to the prophesy Russell M. Nelson gave for Armenia?

Back to the OP - interesting find, IHAQ.

If you choose to empower Nelson with a prophetic mantle, then technically any outcome remains prophetically viable.

To use a stock price analogy, say Nelson gives prophecy that the stock will go up.
(1) If it goes up, excellent. Prophet.
(2) If it goes down, well no timeline was given, so wait on the Lord. Still a prophet.
(3) If the company goes bankrupt and stock goes to zero, just wait for the restructuring. Trials in the flesh bring faith. Still a prophet.

Nelson can do or say anything because he is the living prophet.

Ironically, that's really not true except for the most ardent believers. Thanks to his nonsensical claims to revelation, I believe Nelson has presided on more testimony losses than any other church president.

[Dr Moore]

Did God tell Joseph Smith the Civil War was coming?

Doesn't the D&C answer this question in the affirmative?

[Philo Sofee]

Nelson: we are hard at work, changing church from 3 hrs to 2. What a miracle!!! Hallelujah to God and the Lamb!!! Now those suffering and dying from the virus can do so in the privacy of their own home. God certainly is smiling upon us.

Exactly. Millions die, including thousands of church members. Nothing, absolutely nothing, of real help here. And yet members trip over themselves to credit Nelson with home-centered church as a sign of prophecy.

Covid-19 exposed Nelson and all of the Q15 to be prophetically impotent.

Priesthoodly impotent also...

[Philo Sofee]

Dr Moore
To use a stock price analogy, say Nelson gives prophecy that the stock will go up.
(1) If it goes up, excellent. Prophet.
(2) If it goes down, well no timeline was given, so wait on the Lord. Still a prophet.
(3) If the company goes bankrupt and stock goes to zero, just wait for the restructuring. Trials in the flesh bring faith. Still a prophet.

Brilliant!!! Unfortunately, very true as well...