Solomon's 1,005 Songs = Alma's 1,005 martyred Lamanites and 230,000 Lucky Charms

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Solomon's 1,005 Songs = Alma's 1,005 martyred Lamanites and 230,000 Lucky Charms

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I'm bringing down some content from one of my threads in the Celestial Forum in order to solicit some input, feedback, or whatever the hell goes on down here in the Terrestrial Forum. The full content and the thread can be viewed at 600 Years in The Book of Mormon. Anyway, for your amusement or pleasure or whatever the hell you prefer.


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Recall the story in Alma about the Anti-Nephi-Lehies and the righteous unarmed Lamanites that were mercilessly slain by Amalekites and Amulonites who were after the order of the Nehors. It’s certainly one of the most intense and disturbing stories in the entire Book of Mormon. It was brutal murder on a mass scale. The exact number of slain righteous Lamanites who died rather than take up arms was precisely 1,005.

Alma 24:22 wrote:And thus without meeting any resistance, they did slay a thousand and five of them; and we know that they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God.

Indeed, they were slain for the good word and testimony in which they held and they were blessed and have gone to dwell with God. Now, I ask, is there any chance at all that this number (1,005) was planted in the Book of Mormon having subliminal roots from the Bible? You be the judge and decide for yourself if Joseph Smith was planting yet another marker in his well crafted and designed novel. And, in case you aren’t familiar with the following verse, it’s highly likely that Joseph Smith was.

“And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding”

1 Kings 4:32 wrote:And he spake three thousand proverbs: and his songs were a thousand and five.

I trust YOU who are reading this thread and taking active interest in my presentation are not disappointed with what you are getting here on Discuss Mormonism -- live, cutting edge ideas expressed in a manner which exposes Joseph Smith’s secret acts in crafting the Book of Mormon. You’re at the right place for the right reasons. Welcome!

Alma 24:22 wrote:And thus without meeting any resistance, they did slay a thousand and five of them; and we know that they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God.
1 Kings 4:32 wrote:And he spake three thousand proverbs: and his songs were a thousand and five.

What, you’re not convinced? It’s right there in front of your eyes, can you not see? Please, open your eyes and open your mind too! Joseph Smith ripped the number from the Bible in order to jazz up the story in his own book. The number is suppose to provide a magical undertone to influence the reader subconsciously in perceiving the story in wonder and awe. Joseph Smith knew this and thus employed important numbers in his book. He understood the value of using hidden messaging. He took full advantage of knowing how to dupe his readers into thinking they were reading something really special. He made it all up with a little help from the Bible.

So, think about it. What are the odds that “1,005” would just so happen to be the EXACT number of dead Lamanites who were horribly murdered out in the open in plain sight?

Why wasn’t it an even 1,000? Why not 1,002? Why not 607 or 708 or 902? Why wasn’t it 1,033 or 1,493 or more? Had the murdering not stopped could it have exceeded 2,000?

Look, Joseph Smith used Solomon’s number of 1,005 in order to add a little zest to his story. That’s the bottom line! Book of Mormon defenders will offer any excuse they want but the math and the odds are staring them horribly in the face and it’s like a bolt of lightning and the crack of thunder.

Folks, this is a wakeup call!
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:51 pm
So, think about it. What are the odds that “1,005” would just so happen to be the EXACT number of dead Lamanites who were horribly murdered out in the open in plain sight?

Why wasn’t it an even 1,000? Why not 1,002? Why not 607 or 708 or 902? Why wasn’t it 1,033 or 1,493 or more?

BECAUSE Smith was fixated on a certain number that would lend mysterious credibility to his novel on a subconscious level. It was a secret insertion known only to him but is now made known publicly for the first time here on Discuss Mormonism. I think that’s rather amazing. Don’t you?

Now, here as follows are the numbers Smith could have used to count the Lamanite dead but he chose the one that corresponded with Solomon’s songs in order to add mystique to his fabricated story of pure fiction:

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Let’s be clear about one thing with regard to the number 1,005 used by Joseph Smith in reference to the “martyrdom” (Alma 25:8) of the Lamanites who “prostrated themselves” (Alma 24:21) in suffering their lives to be taken without any resistance or self-defense -- thereafter “they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God.”

What are the odds that the number 1,005 just so happened to be the number? Well, simply put, the odds are 1 in 1,005! Isn’t that simple enough?

But wait, there’s more to it than just that. As I mentioned earlier, the number could have been much higher and thus the odds would increase. But I pointed out that Smith was ripping the number from the Bible so no need to use a higher number.

But hold on because I have evidence to support my theory that the odds truly are staggering because the number “a thousand and five” is mentioned ONE time in the whole Bible and ONE time in the Book of Mormon. The reason for that is because 1,005 is a unique number in and of itself and is rarely used in any context other than being used to number a large list. So, the number 1,005 is a rare number in and of itself -- used once in the Bible and once in the Book of Mormon. In both cases the number is used to define something unique and special. Solomon had 1,005 songs. The story of Alma tells of 1,005 martyred Lamanites who were very special indeed.

Folks, I’ve made my case.
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I do believe you found what apologists call a bullseye. Unfortunately it's not the kind they want to find!
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drumdude wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:13 pm
I do believe you found what apologists call a bullseye. Unfortunately it's not the kind they want to find!

Oh Goody gum drops! Somebody replied! Thanks.

Okay, let me yank down another post from celestial that I feel is a bullseye.

Is it possible that Smith fished the number 5,400 from the Bible in order to crib it into his novel like a spice mixed into a secret recipe? Now granted, the biblical account refers to items of gold and silver and the Book of Mormon is people who migrated to the land northward; but the point is, we have an exact number, not a match in context, but a match in numbers, nonetheless. What are the odds that both numbers would be found in both accounts?

We really wouldn’t bother looking at this if it weren’t for the fact that Smith borrowed so heavily from the Bible in so many respects -- to include lifting numbers right out of the Bible and putting them into his own book -- right there in front of your very eyes!

Ezra 1:11 wrote: All the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand and four hundred. All these did Sheshbazzar bring up with them of the captivity that were brought up from Babylon unto Jerusalem.
Alma 63:4 wrote:And it came to pass that in the thirty and seventh year of the reign of the judges, there was a large company of men, even to the amount of five thousand and four hundred men, with their wives and their children, departed out of the land of Zarahemla into the land which was northward.

And now, another number although not exact but suggestive of two great battles taking place in a single day and it seems the Book of Mormon one-ups the Bible by giving the full number rather than just a round 12,000. Was it Smith’s idea to take the whole number from the Bible and fulfill it in his Book of Mormon? Do you think?

Joshua 8:25 wrote:And so it was, that all that fell THAT DAY, both of men and women, were TWELVE THOUSAND, even all the men of Ai.
Alma 2:19 wrote: And it came to pass that the Nephites did pursue the Amlicites all THAT DAY, and did slay them with much slaughter, insomuch that there were slain of the Amlicites TWELVE THOUSAND five hundred thirty and two souls
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Listen up u people. The number 1,005 is not just some dumb number pulled out of Ezra's or Nehemiah's stinking asshole or holy diaper. The 1,005 is not just a counting number out of Chronicle's armpit or Exodus's pussy!

Don't you people get it?

What the hell!

The 1,005 is the number of King Solomon and Joseph Smith stole it from him under everyone's eyes and nobody has declared this until NOW!

Wake up people!

Open your GODDAMN eyes and see it for what it is!
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Shulem, you've written about many unique items in that thread and others in the Celestial forum that need to be considered by others.
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1005 is exactly three times five times … sixty-seven. Hmm.

Lost my train of thought. Talk among yourselves.
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1,005 is an odd number to use for two different, seemingly unrelated events, in two volumes generations apart. As is 5,400. If only there was a common denominator between these four data points...Perhaps the Dales will write a Bayesian paper on how the odds prove Joseph didn't write the Book of Mormon. It seems to me you've hit upon an interesting topic to do a paper on - "Number Usage In The Bible vs Book of Mormon as a proof Joseph borrowed heavily from one to the other". I'd like to think you could get it published in Interpreter.

It looks like a great catch to me.
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IHAQ wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:35 am
1,005 is an odd number to use for two different, seemingly unrelated events, in two volumes generations apart. As is 5,400. If only there was a common denominator between these four data points...Perhaps the Dales will write a Bayesian paper on how the odds prove Joseph didn't write the Book of Mormon. It seems to me you've hit upon an interesting topic to do a paper on - "Number Usage In The Bible vs Book of Mormon as a proof Joseph borrowed heavily from one to the other". I'd like to think you could get it published in Interpreter.

It looks like a great catch to me.

Thank you for chiming in, IHAQ. Smith had a cogent awareness of the importance of Solomon in the Bible and wanted to remember him in his novel. It was by no accident that Solomon is mentioned by name in Smith's novel (2 Nephi 5). The common denominator is spiritual in nature whereas on one hand we have Solomon's temple being rebuilt in fashion by Nephi and the number of Solomon's songs being secretly retained by the number of martyred Lamanites who buried up their swords after making a sacred vow never to fight again. THAT is the common denominator! The Book of Mormon gives us Solomon's Name, Temple, and the Number of his songs in the MOST sacred manner but the number is secretly used in his book. Smith had preplanned using the 1,005 in his story. It was not by accident or coincidence! It was planned all along in his cribbed notes. Smith didn't just ramble off stories off the cuff completely. He had ideas and things in mind prior to dictation.

I do wish our math crazy resident (Philo) would do some number crunching but oh well. He's doing his own thing whatever that is. I think my 600 year thread up in Celestial expresses some very interesting points and serves to show that Smith was borrowing and stealing on the sly -- right under everyone's noses. I'm on to SMITH and determined to take down his Book of Mormon just as I did his Facsimiles and Book of Abraham. Things will never be the same once I'm done cracking the code.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:46 am
Shulem, you've written about many unique items in that thread and others in the Celestial forum that need to be considered by others.

Thanks for that, my little black and white friend. But it seems this board is utterely distracted with other things such as DCP and everyday changes in the procedures of Mormon living. But the Book of Mormon is the keystone of Mormonism and I want to find new ways to expose Smith's fraud and his cunning ways in duping his followers. I'm on to Joseph Smith and smell blood! Believe me when I say, "I'm on to him!"

The Church is quite vulnerable these days and is on the ropes trying to figure out how to maneuver and pilot itself through the difficult era of Internet exposure. This is the perfect time to kick the church when its down and uncover deeper mysteries of Smith's Book of Mormon fraud. I get the sense that I'm closing in on new discoveries on exposing his fraudulent work and will present those ideas on this board whether people here like it or not. If they don't like it then they “F” off.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:17 am
1005 is exactly three times five times … sixty-seven. Hmm.

Lost my train of thought. Talk among yourselves.

Listen up, Physics Guy, The number "THOUSAND" in and of itself and combined with other numbers is recorded in the Book of Mormon multiple times. Here are the the actual numbers found in the entire Book of Mormon in the "thousands" including Solomon's number secreted by Joseph Smith:

1,000 "a thousand"
1,000(s) "thousands"
1,005 "a thousand and five"
2,000 "two thousand"
2,500 "two thousand five hundred"
3,043 "three thousand and forty-three"
3,500 "three thousand five hundred"
5,400 "five thousand and four hundred"
6,000 "six thousand"
8,000 "eight thousand"
10,000 "ten thousand"
10,000(s) "tens of thousands"
12,532 "twelve thousand five hundred thirty and two"
30,000 "thirty thousand"
42,000 "Forty and two thousand"
44,000 "forty and four thousand"

Physics Guy, I am telling you right now LOUDLY and will scream in your ears that the 1,005 is very, very special. Do you understand that? Do you hear me?
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