Joseph used a hat to translate because his eyes were tired...

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Re: Joseph used a hat to translate because his eyes were tired...

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Sledge wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:52 am
Shulem wrote:
Legacy. Oh the legacy one leaves behind. Understand ye not that?
Who cares about legacy if yer dead?

Lots of people care. Lots of people have lived their lives and fought to secure a legacy they would feel right about leaving behind them. Maybe someday you'll fit into that category. Perhaps.
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I like the rock in the hat story. It is one of my favorite pieces of Joseph Smith lore. I find it understandable that people do not make pictures of the head in the hat. It is not a good visual. It looks a bit like a person eating their soup by putting their head in the bowl. I like hats and I like stone and enjoyed the story. If God wanted to send a long text to Joseph Smith I cannot think of any better way than a stone in a hat. Now I suppose there are other possibilities. There could even be ways less inclined to create smirks. But smirkers will smirk. lets have the stone in the hat.
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Sledge wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:51 am
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A yes, it wasn't the Book of Mormon, it was the book of plausible deniability.

Did you have to look up the apologist response? I have a feeling you've never been a member of the church if you didn't know most members considered native americans to be lamanites.
Most members? Have you polled “most members?” Because you believed something does not mean everyone else did, too.
Did you never interact with anyone in the ward?
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huckelberry wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:56 am
I like hats and I like stone ...
I love this board.

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“Hrm ... what does it say? The light isn’t quite right. Let me take a closer look ...

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lmao
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drumdude wrote:
Did you never interact with anyone in the ward?
Your flailing now. You suppose your experience in the church must be everyone’s experience in the church. What you describe is foreign to me and my experience. This is why I question whether you were Mormon.
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Sledge wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:45 am
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Did you never interact with anyone in the ward?
Your flailing now. You suppose your experience in the church must be everyone’s experience in the church. What you describe is foreign to me and my experience. This is why I question whether you were Mormon.
I'm honestly trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. No one in your ward talked to you about the native americans being lamanites? They never mentioned the tribes that were assigned to different people in their patriarchal blessings? They never talked about the Polynesians in your ward?

No one ever mentioned any prophets or church leaders directly calling native Americans descendants of the lamanites?
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Hell I'll even give you a direct quote from FAIR on this.
Many Church leaders, most notably Spencer W. Kimball, have made clear statements regarding the belief that Lehi was the exclusive ancestor of all native Americans.
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/ans ... ts_of_Lehi
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:01 am
huckelberry wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:56 am
I like hats and I like stone ...

“Hrm ... what does it say? The light isn’t quite right. Let me take a closer look ...

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Aw Doc, you usually do much better than this. No matter what exactly you think of Joseph's tale which he pulled out of that hat it certainly has more entertainment than a simple dumb insult.
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Well, I've always thought the whole thing was pretty obvious. Joe and Ollie put on a show for the random visitor. Joe, with face in hat would spout gibberish for a few minutes. How would that visitor know if that gibberish was actually written down in the same verbiage in the finished Book of Mormon. Especially since it's all just repeating patterns of gibberish anyway.

The whole thing just really comes down to the word of two guys. Joe and Ollie. Since it's axiomatic that Joe is a scoundrel, what about Ollie? Let's see, Well, he claimed that John the B. and then P, J and J appeared to him. So, for those of us who know that things like that don't happen, everything he says is automatically classified as B.S..

And another thing. Among the Abrahamic religions there has only been a small handful of people whom god has talked to or sent envoys to. Ollie was one. A person would think that that would be a substantial, indelible, dramatic, permanently life altering event. Yet... - Ollie - So look god, thankyou for sending John the B. and P,B and J to give me the holy hand grenades, but, this guy Joseph is shagging every Fanny he sees. He's even humping my leg. So, even though I know the church is troo, I'm gonna have to go join this other church that isn't troo. Catch you later.
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