Being a wise investor and opening the windows of heaven

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Re: Being a wise investor and opening the windows of heaven

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asbestosman wrote:So I'm in the middle of planning for my future. I want to save as much as possible, but I have some competing goals. My wife wants a "decent" house. I pull out my spreadsheet and figure that by the time I'm finished paying the mortgage, I'll have spent 2x what the house initially cost. I look at the stock market and figure I'd probably do better there except for the fact that I don't know beans about how to spread out my money and I know even less about what to expect from the individual stocks or other such options I might go for.

But on the other hand, if I pay rent, is that money down the drain? Obviously none of the rent goes toward actual property ownership on my behalf. But if rent costs 1/2 as much as a mortage, would the extra money I save do more for me in the long run from stock? What about property tax and upkeep fees that homeowners have which renters do not? What about figuring in the happiness of my wife?


My advice. Get into a house ASAP. Start small and work your way up when you can sell and take out equity. Move fast while interest rates are low. Don't muck around with adjustable rates. Granted, the equity in a house in not necessarily liquid (unless you want to borrow on it--which I DO NOT recommend for someone in your situation), but a house is a major factor in one's "quality of life." Your income will rise over time, but depending on where you live, and your profession, housing costs will probably rise faster. In other words, if you wait for the "perfect day," you'll only fall further behind in the interim. Do you budget, figure out what you can realistically afford (don't get in over your head) and jump in the housing market.

Oh, and instead of giving 10% of your income to a billion dollar corporation, put THAT into a mutual fund or other invetments. You'll find that a Putnam Mutual Fund offers a far higher return than the Mormon Church, and its returns are tangible, not theoretical.
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Thanks all.

Just wanted to say that last week we made an offer on a home. Housing prices are absurd over here, but that's just the way life goes. We can easily afford it if my wife continues to work, and only maybe if she quits and just does tutoring. What's really nuts is that my home is going to cost more what my parents much bigger home is currently worth. Oh well, I couldn't get as nice a job back in Utah and besides my wife likes living where we are.
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asbestosman wrote:Thanks all.

Just wanted to say that last week we made an offer on a home. Housing prices are absurd over here, but that's just the way life goes. We can easily afford it if my wife continues to work, and only maybe if she quits and just does tutoring. What's really nuts is that my home is going to cost more what my parents much bigger home is currently worth. Oh well, I couldn't get as nice a job back in Utah and besides my wife likes living where we are.


Congrats man!

And if your parents live in Utah, I'm not so sure they're not underestimating the value of their home. Home prices here have gone crazy. I used to live in the suburbs of Chicago, and prices in utah are approaching those levels.

But likewise, I think the overall job market here has grown drastically as well. I guess it all kind of evens out in the end...

Anyhow, congrats again. Did the suggestions of dropping the 10% tithing tip the scales? ;)
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Who Knows wrote:And if your parents live in Utah, I'm not so sure they're not underestimating the value of their home. Home prices here have gone crazy. I used to live in the suburbs of Chicago, and prices in utah are approaching those levels.

They said is was recently appraised when they redid their kitchen this year which was then in some contest or something. I think their home is worth something like 3x what they initially bought it for some 15 years ago.

Did the suggestions of dropping the 10% tithing tip the scales? ;)

Actually, we wonder if paying tithing didn't tip the scales in our favor. Less attractive houses in the area were selling for more, and the professional inspection indicates that the home is in good condition. There was even a second offer, so they could have played us for a higher price. Fortunately they decided not to take another offer since we offered full price and offered first. I don't think we even initially planned to view the home, and it was that night we had the offer. By the next day there was another.

I'm excited but nervous. A 30 year mortgage is not something I look forward to, but that's what we'll need if my wife quits her current job which she hates. There are no decent houses for less.
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asbestosman wrote:Actually, we wonder if paying tithing didn't tip the scales in our favor. Less attractive houses in the area were selling for more, and the professional inspection indicates that the home is in good condition. There was even a second offer, so they could have played us for a higher price. Fortunately they decided not to take another offer since we offered full price and offered first. I don't think we even initially planned to view the home, and it was that night we had the offer. By the next day there was another.


Yeah, I need to find something else to attribute to 'good fortune' that comes my way (now that I don't pay tithing). I had something similar happen a few months ago. I just chalked it up to plain old 'being in the right place at the right time'. Or maybe it was 'the secret'. Anyhow, it definitely wasn't 'tithing'.

And I still can't figure out why our old bishop couldn't find a job for over a year (assuming he was a faithful tithe payer).

Anyhow, that's for another thread i guess.

Again, congrats! Buying our first home was certainly exhilarating and liberating. Ah, brings back memories...
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I read an article in the WSJ today, and the guy said to basically shoot for having 2X your salary stashed in a retirement fund by the time you're 40. If you do that, you'll be in decent shape.

At that point, you'll have 'tipped the scales' so that you're earning more in interest every year, than what you're saving each year.
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