What Mitt Romney doesn't know..

[_Jason Bourne]

[quote="Kevin Graham]A "guess" based on what evidence Jason? Haven't you been paying any attention to any of the horrendous things Romney has said and done lately? The evidence he provides leads to the exact conclusion beastie reached.

But you have a "guess" that it is all BS.

OK.[/quote]


Take a look at the link Kevin. Look at his % of income given away.

Oh yea... for you it does not count if it is the LDS Church. You bet.

As for the horrendous things??? What things other than the video?

[_Kevin Graham]

Take a look at the link Kevin. Look at his % of income given away.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what beastie said. She said, "what damns him is that he doesn't care to know [enter examples of how the middle-class struggles]" and you call BS with your only evidence being that, like most Millionaires looking for loopholes for taxcuts, he donates to "charity." How does that even begin to make sense?

Oh yea... for you it does not count if it is the LDS Church. You bet.

As a former bishop you know very well that generally Mormons pay tithing because they are commanded to. Based on what they are told, they believe at the very least, it makes eternal marriage and the Celestial Kingdom an viable option, even though that money used in this life is more likely to pay for temples, Church maintenance, administrative costs, and of course my favorite, "investments" like building $4 billion shopping malls. So in the Mormon context, it is impossible to distinguish between selfish charity and selfless charity because you cannot remove the clear incentive one has to do so. I have a very hard time trying to see this as anything remotely similar to the kinds of charity described in holy writ. The fact that Romney could triple his "charity" and still have more money than he could ever spend in three lifetimes, makes it difficult to take you seriously when you suggest that his "giving" somehow buys him insight into how the middle-class struggles.

As for the horrendous things??? What things other than the video?

As if we needed anything more than that video, which you blow aside as if it was just something that was "poorly worded." Good grief Jason, what else does this guy have to do? The beauty of this video is that it is Romney uncut. He wasn't pandering to the media. He wasn't being fake for the cameras. He was speaking his true beliefs because he was speaking to his own. There was no need for rhetoric, or hyperbole to convince them of anything because he knew they already shared his views, but he decided to unleash the true Romney doctrine untainted, and what we got was proof positive that this guy's political philosophy hails from the extreme right. There is nothing moderate about him. Everything he said reminded me of the BS I've been hearing from Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Neal Boortz for years. He really does believe that Obama voters only vote for Obama because they want the government to take care of them. Because they are lazy. He insults half the country and you chalk it up to "poorly worded." And then you throw out a ridiculous Glenn Beck link, as if that guy hasn't been laughed off the stage even by his own network (FOX). Tell us again Jason about how you're trying to be even handed, and how you watch just as much from the Left as you do the Right.

Beyond the video, Romney's stated plan, which he refused to argue for using basic math, is to reduce taxes further on the wealthy, increase them on everyone else, increase defense spending, and slash regulations in the financial/banking industry, etc. You know, all the things that Bush did, which obviously worked out so well before the economy nearly collapsed - just before Obama came in to take all the blame.

[_beastie]

Oh, and by the way, some of the tax incentives built into the system that allow the WORKING POOR to not pay any federal income taxes were designed to - you guessed it - encourage those same people to WORK. Work has to pay more than welfare.

Beastie

Who was responsible for the tax breaks that allows for such a high % lower income Americans to drop off the income tax roles?

He acts like the people who don't pay fed income taxes are worthless, lazy people. The truth is that they are the WORKING POOR.

I agree Romney's language was poorly worded. But the point really is between more entitlements and government intervention or less. Given the crowd he was speaking too don't you think this might have been poorly worded rhetoric?

You think I don't know that it was a bipartisan effort, backed by both sides, including RONALD REAGAN? The EIC was a program designed to alleviate poverty and was supported and expanded by both sides. That is what enables so many to not pay federal income tax, although they obviously pay lots of other taxes. And this is now being paraded by Romney as some horrible injustice???

How does this NOT bother you?

As far as whether or not it was poorly worded rhetoric, I can only judge by his other words. He told a group of young people worried about college costs to "shop around". He told young people worried about career futures to start a business by borrowing money from parents. This guy has no clue how most people live.

Of course there's nothing wrong with shopping around for a college, but that doesn't resolve the issue of rising costs. And some parents may be able to loan their kids money for a business, but not many. Yet this is the generic advice Romney gives, which I think shows how little he knows about most people's lives.

[_Kevin Graham]

You think I don't know that it was a bipartisan effort, backed by both sides, including RONALD REAGAN? The EIC was a program designed to alleviate poverty and was supported and expanded by both sides. That is what enables so many to not pay federal income tax, although they obviously pay lots of other taxes. And this is now being paraded by Romney as some horrible injustice???

How does this NOT bother you?

As far as whether or not it was poorly worded rhetoric, I can only judge by his other words. He told a group of young people worried about college costs to "shop around". He told young people worried about career futures to start a business by borrowing money from parents. This guy has no clue how most people live.

Of course there's nothing wrong with shopping around for a college, but that doesn't resolve the issue of rising costs. And some parents may be able to loan their kids money for a business, but not many. Yet this is the generic advice Romney gives, which I think shows how little he knows about most people's lives.

Exactly. Nearly everything this guy says shows just how out of touch he is with everyone outside the wealthy elite. Like his wife trying to prove how they "struggled" when they were younger because they had to eat only "tuna fish" and had to pay for his tuition by selling shared of stocks! Yes, what a nightmare that must have been. I'm sure we can all relate to that!

Last month I loved how he was putting on a show for the cameras, going to a hardware store as if he were going to actually do some work in the house. As he was putting stuff in the trunk of his SUV a reporter asked him what he had just bought, and he paused to think and ended up just saying, "hardware stuff."

And then the recent attempt to appear Latino on Spanish television using sunless tanning lotion that made him look like a walking carrot with white rings around his mouth and eyes.

What a joke this guy is.

[_Kevin Graham]

Incidentally, included in Romney's 47% are 4,000 millionaires who pay zero federal income taxes.

LOL!

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/pf/taxe ... index.html

[_Jason Bourne]

Tell us again Jason about how you're trying to be even handed, and how you watch just as much from the Left as you do the Right.
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Of course Kevin. I disagree with you on one thing and I am not even handed at all.

Believe it or not I do look at all angles and I could give a rats arse if you believe me or not. I like you Kevin but you are nothing but strident when someone challanges most anything you believe and certainly you are not moderate in your approach nor are the sources you rely on. From what I see more often than not they are as left leaning as you claim BCs and Droopy's are.

More often than not I find it unwise to engage in political discussions online. I should not have jumped in here.

[_Jason Bourne]

You think I don't know that it was a bipartisan effort, backed by both sides, including RONALD REAGAN? The EIC was a program designed to alleviate poverty and was supported and expanded by both sides. That is what enables so many to not pay federal income tax, although they obviously pay lots of other taxes. And this is now being paraded by Romney as some horrible injustice???

Actually dropping many of the 47% of the income tax roles are a direct result of the Bush tax cuts and the child credit increases the Bush tax cuts introduced. He also beefed up the RIC.

How does this NOT bother you?

How does not what bother me? Romney's foolish remarks? It does bother me.

by the way, I have not yet decided who I am voting for though in my very blue state it won't matter. But I will likely vote for the democrat running against the incumbent republican because she is hard liner who won't comprimise.

As for Romney not knowing how others live, I would think his many years in LDS leadership exposed him to all sorts of situations for assisting those who are less than wealthy.

[_beastie]

You think I don't know that it was a bipartisan effort, backed by both sides, including RONALD REAGAN? The EIC was a program designed to alleviate poverty and was supported and expanded by both sides. That is what enables so many to not pay federal income tax, although they obviously pay lots of other taxes. And this is now being paraded by Romney as some horrible injustice???

Actually dropping many of the 47% of the income tax roles are a direct result of the Bush tax cuts and the child credit increases the Bush tax cuts introduced. He also beefed up the RIC.

How does this NOT bother you?

How does not what bother me? Romney's foolish remarks? It does bother me.

by the way, I have not yet decided who I am voting for though in my very blue state it won't matter. But I will likely vote for the democrat running against the incumbent republican because she is hard liner who won't comprimise.

As for Romney not knowing how others live, I would think his many years in LDS leadership exposed him to all sorts of situations for assisting those who are less than wealthy.

Whether or not Romney appreciates how others live is only one part of this poison. If he does appreciate how others live, if he does appreciate the importance of the tax reforms that were designed to alleviate poverty and encourage work, and yet chooses to cynically use these as wedge issues, playing upon the ignorance of his target audience,, that's as bad as him actually believing this nonsense.