The Last Race-Baiting Campaign...

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Jason Bourne wrote:Beastie I am sorry I was pissy in this thread and that I compared you to Droopy and his thread. I still am not sure I agree with your premise in this thread. But that did not justify my swearing and meanness.

Again I am sorry.


Thank you, Jason.

Being compared to droopy is about as bad it gets.
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John McCain called "The One," which observers said dog-whistled to evangelical Christians who believed Obama might be the Antichrist; ...


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Jason,

What do you think the purpose of Romney's welfare ad was? I'm referring to the ad that was blatantly false - the one that declared Obama had ended the work requirement for welfare. I'm assuming you know that the truth was that Obama had agreed to allow governors more leeway in reaching the goal of having welfare recipients engaged in work.

These states, some with Republican governors, asked the federal government for more flexibility in how they hand out welfare dollars. Their purpose was to spend less time on federal paperwork and more time experimenting with ways to connect welfare recipients with jobs.

The Obama administration cooperated, granting waivers to some states from some of the existing rules.

The waivers gave "those states some flexibility in how they manage their welfare rolls as long as it produced 20% increases in the number of people getting work."

In some small way, the waivers might change precisely how work is calculated but the essential goal of pushing welfare recipients to work -- something both Democrats and Republicans agreed to in the 1990s -- remains the same.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/ ... index.html

Romney and his team had to know this ad was blatantly false, but they though it was worth the risk of running. Why? This was a matter of discussion and included some research.

This link leads to an article worth reading, and I'll quote part here.

http://www.cjr.org/swing_states_project ... print=true

Let’s first take the part where the journalists and academics agree—the contention that racial resentment shapes the welfare ad’s effect. Some evidence comes from Michael Tesler, a political scientist at Brown University and the author of Obama’s Race, who penned an Aug. 20 blog post examining the relationship between racial attitudes and viewers’ response to the ad. Tesler found that when people hadn’t seen the welfare ad, their opinions about how Romney’s policies would affect the middle class, the poor, or black people weren’t connected to their level of racial resentment. (For the questions used to measure “racial resentment,” a term of art in the field, see here.) Upon seeing the ad, though, viewers with higher levels of racial resentment thought Romney’s policies were more likely to help those groups—while viewers with low levels of racial resentment now believed the opposite. As Tesler puts it, the ad made attitudes toward blacks “a stronger predictor of respondents’ views about the consequences of Romney’s policies.” In other words, the ad apparently polarized opinion, with more racially resentful viewers thinking better of Romney after seeing it. (Interestingly, there was no parallel effect on views of Obama’s policies—presumably because racial attitudes are already strongly linked to peoples’ assessments of the president.)

Another finding, described last week on the polling site YouGov by Harvard professor Ryan Enos, is easier to explain. The Romney ad’s claim that Obama has “gutted” the work requirement for welfare has been roundly debunked by factcheckers. But Enos found that respondents with high levels of racial resentment were far more likely to believe the claim than people with low resentment levels. Moreover, high-resentment individuals were inclined to believe the claim about Obama whether or not they believed there was a work requirement in the first place. There may be ways to unpack that logical conundrum, but as Enos writes, “more likely what is holding these attitudes towards work, welfare, and Obama together is the common association with African Americans—and a resentment of African Americans.”

That’s exactly how coded appeals work—they give people enough information to bring underlying beliefs to the surface.


Even if the academic explanation underestimates the ad’s likely effect on working class whites, though, the research presents plenty of reason to believe that the coded appeal is being heard by college-educated whites—which is a part of the story that the journalistic accounts tend to skip over. As a group, the scholars actually tend to think that Romney won’t benefit much from this dynamic, for a few reasons: because racial attitudes are already built in to views about Obama; because the ad does more to remind people of their attitudes than to change their opinions; because, as Tesler’s research shows, many of the people who read the “code” will think less of Romney; and because the better-educated viewers who can decipher coded signals are generally reliable partisans in the first place. These are all good points. On the other hand, turnout can be just as important as persuasion, and Romney could benefit if the ad energizes his supporters. Based on how often the ad has aired, his campaign clearly thinks it’s boosting their effort.

So what’s the upshot for reporters here? It has been encouraging to see so many journalists, including some at the most mainstream of outlets, call out a campaign for its appeal to voters’ baser instincts. But there is, at the very least, reason to ask whether the coverage has reached too readily for familiar frames about racial resentment among working-class whites—and as a result, distorted the ways in which different groups of voters think about policy, and what the actual effect of the welfare ad is likely to be. It’s a concern journalists should keep in mind.


Remember, this was an ad that Romney ran a LOT, even after the factcheckers went into an uproar over it. That means he thought there was a serious benefit to it.

If the proposal that Romney's team was using coded language to trigger underlying racial resentments is just crazy, just a figment of the overzealous minds of those who see racial resentment everywhere in the shadows, then what was the possible goal of running such a blatantly false ad? Romney was already been accused of being less than honest, why give that meme such obvious ammunition? There must have been a significant perceived benefit.
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Ceeboo wrote:
beastie wrote:Whether or not today's republicans want to admit it, the fact is that the republican party made a deliberate choice to go after the southern vote when the Democrats decided to fight for civil rights.


Thank God (Or thank the the random mixture of gases with no origin, if you prefer) that we have these rational, reasonable, and level headed democrats to shed light on these clear and obvious facts!

I support removing the sheets from the heads of all republicans and I am sincerely thankful to and for all the democrats who have and continue fight for civil rights!


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I'm still curious as to what you were trying to say with this post. It almost seems as if you are denying the fact that the Republican party deliberately set out to win the south by sending out racially coded messages. That is a fact, ceeboo. It's not some wild hyperbole. It was a deliberate decision crafted by Harry Dent in Richard Nixon's campaign, also wielded by Lee Atwater. You can see its clear use all the way through Ronald Reagan and the first Bush. George W Bush attempted to reach out to minorities more, but the recent sharp right turn of the republican party has set them back in that regard.

Here's just one example from 2005:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9639C8B63

A lot of people are upset over comments made on the radio by the former education secretary and guardian of all things virtuous, Bill Bennett.

A Republican who served in the Reagan cabinet, Mr. Bennett told his listeners: ''I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.''

After making the point that exterminating blacks would be a most effective crime-fighting tool, he quickly added, ''That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.''

When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone was surprised. I've come to expect racial effrontery from big shots in the Republican Party. The G.O.P. has happily replaced the Democratic Party as a safe haven for bigotry, racially divisive tactics and strategies and outright anti-black policies. That someone who's been a stalwart of that outfit might muse publicly about the potential benefits of exterminating blacks is not surprising to me at all.

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

''You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

''And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.'''

Atwater, who would manage George H.W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book ''Southern Politics in the 1990's.''

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.

The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile to blacks.

When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its banner.

Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he declared: ''I believe in states' rights.''

Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it would be ''impossible, ridiculous morally reprehensible'') is all of a piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.

But that white racist vote, once so important to the Democrats and now so important to the G.O.P., has been steadily shrinking. The U.S. is less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, which is why George W. Bush had to try so hard to disenfranchise black voters in Florida in 2000; and why Jeb Bush had to call out the state police to try to intimidate black voters in Orlando, Fla., in 2004; and why Republicans in Georgia have come up with the equivalent of a poll tax (requiring people without a driver's license to pay $20 for a voter identification card), which will hurt poor, black and elderly voters.

Bill Bennett's twisted fantasies are a malignant outgrowth of our polarized past. Our job is to keep them from spreading into the future.


You have to keep this history in mind to understand the reaction of people like me to Romney's welfare ad, to Gingrich's "food stamp president", to Sununu's "lazy", to Gingrich's "different rhythm, needing to play basketball", to Santorum's "bla people". It is possible I am oversensitive to the issue, due to living in a part of the country where racial polarization is still a problem. But I certainly haven't imagined the history of the republican party, and I haven't imagined the more recent past of their use of racially coded messages.
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by the way, although some controversy surrounds it, here's Lee Atwater's deathbed confession:

Lee Atwater:Lee Atwater’s Deathbed Confession – Lee Atwater who was George HW Bush’s political consultant and strategist has his life story told on PBS’ Frontline earlier tonight.Lee Atwater who was also Karl Rove’s mentor was once called the “most evil man in America,” because he often aimed to completely destroy his opponent’s character.Lee Atwater’s Deathbed Confession before dying of tumors is as followed:

“I was wrong to follow the meanness of Conservatism. I should have been trying to help people instead of take advantage of them. I don’t hate anyone anymore. For the first time in my life I don’t hate somebody. I have nothing but good feelings toward people. I’ve found Jesus Christ – It’s that simple. He’s made a difference.”


http://news.spreadit.org/lee-atwaterlee ... onfession/
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