Travesty:A Soldier Can't Wear His Uniform In His Own Country

[_Quasimodo]

That said, I agree that people need to stop being passive in the face of aggression by religionists, and stand up for their rights.

- Doc

I sure wish the Russian people had done that, or been able to do that, in 1917.

Hmm. I think that's exactly what the Russian people did. They were the ones that started and successfully accomplished the revolution. You should read up on it.

[Guest]

The percent of deaths by guns by population in England is 0.07%.

In the U.S. it's 2.97%.

That's because people in England don't carry guns.

The percent of deaths by guns by population in England is 0.07%.
The percent of gun deaths in America is 2.98%
Therefore, if people don't carry guns, the gun death rate will be lower.

Fallacy of False Cause

2. What do you mean "gun deaths by population." What does this mean? What is the time frame? What are the demographic and cultural variables?

3. There's a massive problem with making the the less guns, less crime problem empirically, because no empirical evidence supports this claim. The states with the most well-armed citizenry (and laws that allow one to carry a concealed weapon), violent crime is substantially lower. The highest rates of gun crime are in the states and cities with the most restrictive gun laws.

Chicago has the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Less crime? Nope. Chicago's murder rate is 15.65 per 100,000. The average for the Midwest is 4.5 (5.6 for the state of Illinois). In 2012, the gun homicide rate rise by 15%, which was the highest ever in a single year. Washington D.C. has among the most severe gun laws in the nation, and a heavy gun homicide rate, historically.

Further, Israel and Switzerland, two countries with very high rates of gun ownership (including the large scale carrying of concealed weapons) both have gun murder and suicide rates well below that the U.S. despite comparable rates of ownership.

[Guest]

Hmm. I think that's exactly what the Russian people did. They were the ones that started and successfully accomplished the revolution. You should read up on it.

Actually, it was a tiny coterie of radical leftist intellectuals. "The people" had nothing to do with it (including the thousands of unemployed workers in Moscow whom they had indoctrinated in the fine art of ideological fanaticism and armed, sending them the into the streets at the appointed time while they dealt with the Romanovs. For a few hours of emotional catharsis bathed in ignorance, they bought themselves and generations of their descendants a world of terror and slavery) Try doing a bit of reading yourself, only next time, from some serious, intellectually honest sources.

[_Quasimodo]

Hmm. I think that's exactly what the Russian people did. They were the ones that started and successfully accomplished the revolution. You should read up on it.

Actually, it was a tiny coterie of radical leftist intellectuals. "The people" had nothing to do with it (including the thousands of unemployed workers in Moscow whom they had indoctrinated in the fine art of ideological fanaticism and armed, sending them the into the streets at the appointed time while they dealt with the Romanov's. For a few hours of emotional catharsis bathed in ignorance, they bought themselves and generations of their descendants a world of terror and slavery) Try doing a bit of reading yourself, only next time, from some serious, intellectually honest sources.

The irony!

[_ludwigm]

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The right response is to allow them to carry arms off base and indeed the whole population should have the right to keep and bear arms. An armed citizen could have stopped this.

To carry assault rifle, handgun and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/us/te ... .html?_r=0

A gunman killed one person and wounded five others in Concho County before being shot to death by the police, the Texas Department of Public Safety said on Monday. The gunman was identified as Esteban Smith, 23, who was stationed at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina. Firing randomly from a pickup truck on Sunday, Mr. Smith killed a 41-year-old woman and wounded the other five people, including the sheriff of the county, which is about 250 miles southwest of Dallas, the authorities said. Mr. Smith was killed in a shootout with a state trooper and a game warden who arrived to assist the sheriff, the authorities said. An assault rifle, a handgun and hundreds of rounds of ammunition were found with Mr. Smith, they said. His military rank was not known. Camp Lejeune is home to several Marine Corps commands, including the Second Marine Division, and a Navy unit. A spokesman for the military base was not available for comment.

[_krose]

Chicago has the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Less crime? Nope... Washington D.C. has among the most severe gun laws in the nation, and a heavy gun homicide rate, historically.

Anyone who brings up Chicago and DC gun laws, while ignoring the ease of obtaining guns just over the border and bringing them in, has zero credibility on the subject.

Instead, talk to me about the effectiveness of gun laws in Hawaii, which does not share a border with an anything-goes, sell-anybody-a-gun red state.

[_krose]

Yet the Percent of ACTUAL violent death hasn't gone down AT ALL, ZERO NADA!!!

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see actual survey numbers that show it. I assume by "violent death," you are not including accidental violent deaths, such as in cars, hang gliders, etc.

Given the choice, I'll take my chances with assailants who are only armed with knives and clubs, thank you.

So, faqs, do you have the numbers that show there was no reduction in murders in the UK? I'd like to see them, please.