Fast-food Wages

[_ldsfaqs]

You either didn't read the article or you're too stupid to understand the refutation. Given that you are who you are, we'll go with the latter.

Oh, I understand very well the ATTEMPTED "refutation" in the article.... But as usual, I'm not actually stupid, because you liberals use a little truth to lie as you did again with the article.

See, we understand your arguments perfectly.... contrary to your belief we don't. The problem however is they are simply lacking in the actual and entire truth, thus making them lies and false.

[_Bazooka]

See, we understand your arguments perfectly...

CFR

[_ldsfaqs]

It's true.... We actually entirely see how and why liberals make their judgments. We understand their arguments entirely on every issue. Problem is, liberals judge on the "surface", the obvious seeming, etc., thus in almost every major issue their judgment is false, because their judgment doesn't take into account the rest of the truth and facts, important information which entirely changes the conclusion.

As to examples...., well, I've shown them many times. But, I'll leave it for now, because I don't have the time right now to think or get into it. Have bigger issues needing to deal with. Maybe someone else can chip in....?

[_Markk]

I was traveling from San Diego a couple of weeks ago and had a couple hour drive. I stopped at MacDonald's and got a medium #1 meal with a filet o fish on the side, and it cost me eleven dollars and change. It also made me bloated and sick. I could have went to a sit down dinner for the same price plus a tip and gotten a munch better meal. A Red Robin Burger with fries and a water is about 12, 13 dollars. You can eat as cheap or cheaper at Claim Jumper or Chiles.

Point being, if wages increase 70 plus percent...consumers, at least me, will not pay 15 dollars or more for lunch at MacDonald's or Carl's, it killed me to pay 11 dollars, and had to stop again for Tums.

It would be nice if these folks could be paid more, but wages will be dictated by the market, if MW goes up 70% the bigger chains will adapt, but mom and pops business's will decline.

It's not as easy as just raising wages.

[_cinepro]

It's not as easy as just raising wages.

That's probably the most important point. If they just target a certain type of restaurant, it will change the economics of the entire industry.

Fast Food chains will have to adapt by drastically cutting expenses in other areas (much more automation, outsourced labor for cleaning and other tasks, cheaper food(!)), or they'll find themselves raising prices and competing with mid-level chains.

And if they can't compete against them, they'll go out of business.

Depending on how the laws are written, I suspect we would then see a new type of restaurant created to fill that void that is specifically designed to not fall under the "living wage" law.

I can understand the good intentions behind these efforts (as well as the selfish intentions from the unions), but I suspect if this continues it would end in disaster for the fast food industry, including the workers, some of whom might make out better, but many of whom would find themselves out of work.

[_Markk]

That's probably the most important point. If they just target a certain type of restaurant, it will change the economics of the entire industry.

Fast Food chains will have to adapt by drastically cutting expenses in other areas (much more automation, outsourced labor for cleaning and other tasks, cheaper food(!)), or they'll find themselves raising prices and competing with mid-level chains.

And if they can't compete against them, they'll go out of business.

Depending on how the laws are written, I suspect we would then see a new type of restaurant created to fill that void that is specifically designed to not fall under the "living wage" law.

I can understand the good intentions behind these efforts (as well as the selfish intentions from the unions), but I suspect if this continues it would end in disaster for the fast food industry, including the workers, some of whom might make out better, but many of whom would find themselves out of work.

So true...

Also...I do a lot of inner city work, both professionally and by way of ministry. And one constant is low income, government assisted people live off of fast food, granted mostly value menu type crap...i.e. jack in the Box Tacos 2 for 99 cents, but they do also go big when they get their ebt cards.

They can use the ebt card for fast food in several states, or just cash out and buy what ever they want, including alcohol and tobacco. Point being... if the worker gets 15 dollars an hour, and prices go up, many folks that can afford the added costs, will simply not pay for it because of the "rip off" factor, and the folks that live off fast food will suffer.

Then what doors would it open for other work force entry level positions? Pizza delivery? scooping ice cream? car wash? etc..

I understand that everybody deserves a living wage, but the market can only bare what it can bare?

And example that I deal with everyday is what prevailing wage (Davis Bacon act ) has created, both good and bad. If your interested we can discuss this?

MG