Given the events in Belgium

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Re: Given the events in Belgium

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honorentheos wrote:In the US, right wingers not much further right than some of our posters are responsible for more killings in the US during that period, minus 9/11 (45 from jihad-inspired violence to 48 from right-wing inspired ideological motives) -

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html


If you're going to lump these mentally ill people together as white nationalists or right wing Republicans, then you can go ahead and add these five people murdered just for being white to your list for liberal Democrat inspired terrorism.


http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawk ... /page/full
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ajax18 wrote:If you're going to lump these mentally ill people together as white nationalists or right wing Republicans, then you can go ahead and add these five people murdered just for being white to your list for liberal Democrat inspired terrorism.


So if a person commits terrorism in the name of a right-wing cause (spoiler alert: Islamic fundamentalism is a right wing cause), that means they are by definition mentally ill?

That's they only way I can interpret this rhetorical question since the cases involve people who are not mentally ill - or at least were of sound mind and body while they committed terrorist acts in the name of their various causes.

Your link incidentally involves things as simple as using a racial slur while committing an act of violence against white people. How using the word "cracker" while killing someone equates to "liberal Democrat" inspired anything is a mystery, but you've opened up a whole arena of crimes to the label of terrorism that aren't normally considered such. You might be surprised to find out that people use racial epithets while committing crimes against minorities. Shocking, I know. That, in of itself, is not typically considered terrorism.

If you bothered to read the link, which odds are you did not, you'd see the cases listed are things like murdering abortion providers to intimidate other abortion providers. The racial terrorist acts involve people with white supremacist manifestos engaging in targeted attacks of racial groups in misguided effort to further their political views and things of that nature. That's quite different than a random act of violence that incidentally involves hate speech or is a hate crime. A neo-Nazi suicide attack on a holocaust museum is not the same thing as someone calling a white person a cracker as they mug them.
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ajax18 wrote:
honorentheos wrote:In the US, right wingers not much further right than some of our posters are responsible for more killings in the US during that period, minus 9/11 (45 from jihad-inspired violence to 48 from right-wing inspired ideological motives) -

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html


If you're going to lump these mentally ill people together as white nationalists or right wing Republicans, then you can go ahead and add these five people murdered just for being white to your list for liberal Democrat inspired terrorism.


http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawk ... /page/full

Ajax, my point to richardBorne was that identifying the attacks by DAESH and their inspired home-grown jihadists with the muslim population of Europe existing and getting larger is poorly thought out and reactionary thinking. We're in a shooting war with DAESH. It is what it is. Muslims are no more representative of DAESH than you or I are representative of white nationalists who are perpetrating other acts of ideology-based violence in the west.

Just...don't.
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Re: Given the events in Belgium

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How would you count this one?

Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered After Wishing Christians Happy Easter

A well-known Muslim shopkeeper has been murdered hours after wishing his “beloved Christian nation” happy Easter on social media. Another Muslim man has been arrested for a “religiously motivated” crime, police confirm.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03 ... py-easter/

Maybe this explains why so called moderate Muslims dare not speak out against radical Islamic terrorism.
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ajax18 wrote:How would you count this one?

Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered After Wishing Christians Happy Easter

A well-known Muslim shopkeeper has been murdered hours after wishing his “beloved Christian nation” happy Easter on social media. Another Muslim man has been arrested for a “religiously motivated” crime, police confirm.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03 ... py-easter/

Maybe this explains why so called moderate Muslims dare not speak out against radical Islamic terrorism.


SEE http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 40131.html
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ajax18 wrote:How would you count this one?

How would I count it?

My view is that radical certitude is behind ideological killings of all stripes. I count it as another example of that. Where you may see the numbers I posted as a score between two different teams, I view them as all of a kind.
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ajax18 wrote:\eloved-christian-nation-happy-easter/

Maybe this explains why so called moderate Muslims dare not speak out against radical Islamic terrorism.


Moderate Muslims constantly speak out against radical Islamic terrorism. Every single Islamic terrorist attack predictably produces emphatic condemnations from Muslim groups, in fact. That you continue to insist this despite that fact shows you are committed more to your prejudices than what is actually happening. That's the very definition of bigotry.

When a minority is held responsible for the actions of members of their class, that's the clearest sign possible that the group is the victim of oppressive stereotyping. You don't see large swathes of people calling for Christian groups to speak out against Christian terrorists every time a Christian engages in an act of terrorism (or just a plain old criminal act). That's because no one holds the entire group accountable for the actions of a few people not associated with them. That this is expected of Muslims says something about their status in our country.
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