Drawings by immigrant children

[_honorentheos]

I think it would benefit Markk to reread some of the comments made in this thread unpolluted by the attempt to fit the poor framing he imposes on conversations.

There's a serious issue that comes from conflating two important, associated but distinct problems as is being done here. Human trafficking is a well documented issue at the border. Sex trafficking that involves organized criminal cartels running sophisticated operations down to instances of individuals is as real, as serious a problem at the border as exists, and absolutely deserving of our law enforcement spending and attention. Most of it uses ports of entry rather than dangerous crossings through the desert.

Most of what Shades is describing is not that. What Shades described is the practice of using unaccompanied minors who are traveling to the border as cover by adults seeking to enter the US as a means to avoid detention given the laws and ruling minimizing the amount of time a child could be held.

Neither issue is addressed by manipulating the law. The problems need resources to address them. The Trump administration is concerned with letting people in more than being concerned with compliance with the law. When the Obama admin was faced with increased numbers of immigrants and asylum seekers it struggled, too. But it ultimately came down on the side of adhering to the law and expeditiously moving people out of centers and into the country to await hearings notoriously backlogged and understaffed. The Trump admin has other priorities. That's what is behind the humanitarian issues. The idea the Trump admin is fixing a problem by holding minors longer is a deflection from the reality they are prioritizing keeping people out over their well being and all other aspects of the law except an extreme focus on keeping people without visas out of the country.

For all the flak Obama takes from conservatives, his immigration actions were as tough as possible but with purpose. His admin used every dollar Congress put towards immigration enforcement. But those being limited funds, they used them to focus on deporting people who had criminal records rather than homes, jobs and families. Trump's admin is doing less with more, but has turned immigration enforcement into a terror campaign against immigrants. He's deporting fewer people and treating the gang members and productive, integrated families the same. Or worse, using the fact DACA and other Obama era programs brought people into open society to track down parents who lacked the same protections to deport them because it is easier than finding individual criminal types.

[_Jersey Girl]

You'd like him to repost your own comment? He did so and direct quoted you in the very post you are responding to here. It's right in front of your face.

I get the impression he thinks I "p-hacked" his quote or made it up. By that, I imagine he doesn't recall saying it because in his mind he probably didn't actually develop the comment. It's a common conservative news trope to tell liberals who are upset at the conditions in the detention centers that Trump didn't build them and isn't responsible for the programs that put them in place. He regurgitated something he heard somewhere that he swallowed whole and puked back up with his own stomach juices having deformed it to fit his style of prose is all. He just used it in the context of a broader discussion and then tried to defend it with more "Bull!" exclamations and anecdotes as is his wont.

But it's on page two of this thread if he's interested.

It's an 8 page thread ffs, if he can't remember what he said "in context" then he can by god scroll back the pages or use the search feature and read his own posts. Of course, you are dealing with someone who is a stranger to context here.

What he's asking you to do is to hold up both your end and his end in the dialogue. You're not the first poster who noticed that he seems incapable of engaging in good faith discussion. He doesn't read what people are writing to him, much less does he respond to it on point. He steps right over it and laughs it off "LOL..." or levels an undeserved insult to take the place of a direct response.

He completely ignores the questions of others while not a few posts later you find him demanding that others answer his questions. Now he's asking you to be responsible for showing him his own posts.

If only you would deal with the "real problem" or answer the "real questions" that he is discussing, this'd all go just swell.

You and your ideology, honor.

[_subgenius]

[_Kevin Graham]

To be returned to his biological father.

Your dumb attempts at false equivalencies are expected because, well, you're just damned dumb.

[_canpakes]

To be returned to his biological father.

Your dumb attempts at false equivalencies are expected because, well, you're just damned dumb.

This one has been explained to him before. He’s just plying his usual mendacity.

Just another day languishing within their moral rot for the Trump Base regulars.

[_honorentheos]

I'm sure everyone has followed the latest news regarding the Trump administration's policy move to change asylum rules. But for the sake of cataloging it in this thread where the topic has been discussed most extensively:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... s-n1029866

The Trump administration announced Monday it will move to end asylum protections for most Central American migrants in the government’s latest major attempt to restrict the influx of migrant families coming to the United States.

The new rule says asylum-seekers at the southern border who pass through another country and do not seek asylum there will not be eligible for the protection in the U.S., according to a statement from the departments of Justice and Homeland Security.

As a practical matter, it means that migrants coming from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador cannot seek asylum if they didn't first do so in Mexico. The rule would also apply to many other asylum-seekers who come to the U.S. southern border from other countries.

In effect, it's subbie's question turned into administrative action.

[_Jersey Girl]

I was just going through posts here.

PSA: The autocorrect changes "ffs" to "Founding Fathers".