Problems with the board

[_Jersey Girl]

This is what I am prepared to say at this point. Considering all that I have seen in the past and all that I have seen on this thread, and any similar such things that I absolutely to expect to see in the future, I want exactly no part in any board wherein Icarus has a role behind the scenes that gives him access to anything that might be deemed by a normal human being to be sensitive in nature. That includes names, email addresses, IP addresses, home addresses, any potential access to private messages, private messages chains with multiple recipients, email chains with multiple recipients, phone numbers, conference calls, or zoom meetings for the sake of collective communications.

Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Zilch.

Not that I expect or even want to be a participant in conference calls, group email/private messages, or zoom meetings. I think I have made my non-expectation status clear on this very thread.

I'm happy to put in my 2 cents here.

But no. Just no. No. I've seen enough. I just can not. I will not.

[Guest]

This is what I am prepared to say at this point. Considering all that I have seen in the past and all that I have seen on this thread, and any similar such things that I absolutely to expect to see in the future, I want exactly no part in any board wherein Icarus has a role behind the scenes that gives him access to anything that might be deemed by a normal human being to be sensitive in nature. That includes names, email addresses, IP addresses, home addresses, any potential access to private messages, private messages chains with multiple recipients, email chains with multiple recipients, phone numbers, conference calls, or zoom meetings for the sake of collective communications.

Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Zilch.

Not that I expect or even want to be a participant in conference calls, group email/private messages, or zoom meetings. I think I have made my non-expectation status clear on this very thread.

I'm happy to put in my 2 cents here.

But no. Just no. No. I've seen enough. I just can not. I will not.

With all your talk of me waiting to "get even" and retribution, you appear to be projecting which is why you needed to recruit one of your girlfriends to come in here to support your BS about me. Lemmie shows up on the Spirit Paradise forum, out of the blue, for the first time in six weeks, just to vote in support of your accusations against me and then she leaves - hardly a coincidence.

I've had enough in person conversations with enough posters on this and other boards to know they don't fault me for doing what I did, given the circumstances at the time. So far you've lied and spun the situation to make me out to be some crazed maniac who is only interested in "breaking my word" or being deceptive, yaddi yaddie ya. It is the narrative you and Doc need to weave to make yourselves feel better about "sticking it to me." But me owning the board wasn't my idea, and the proposal was pitched to me by numerous people who were fully aware of the past incidents you're trying to exploit for your own personal gratification. I was never really interested in buying the board, but when I was told what saving it required, I said that if I'm going to be bankrolling it to the extent that would be required for another 20+ years, then I'd need to see changes made. I wouldn't want to be the moderator and it would probably mean I'd be participating less and less, but as the owner, the rules would definitely change in the way they're worded and more importantly, enforced. That means none of the BS that has happened over the past few years on this board would even be a possibility with a new system I envision. It would also mean the "personal attacks" would be taken seriously and enforced for once. This means calling people idiot, moron, etc would be prohibited. This is probably going to be a challenge for most people (myself included), but there would be less aggressive options like "disingenuous" and "naïve."

I can also tell you that no one who is actually informed on the details of how things actually went down, and doesn't have an ax to grind, agrees with you. You can make a huge mountain out of an anthill all the while dismissing what was done against me and my wife, and you'll do this because you're just not a very good person. Claiming you're just "defending the board" is a pathetic cop out that doesn't explain why the board only needs defending when I break the rules (or even when I don't!) in the absence of effective moderation, but at the same time you'll sit by with popcorn in hand and say nothing when my wife is called a whore. The fact that you now say their actions were already against the rules makes your silence even more damning and your support for them makes you complicit in it all. Everything for you seems to be about taking sides, having more control than you really need or deserve, and making everything a popularity contest. For God's sake, grow up already. You just smeared me publicly the other day falsely accusing me of breaking a cardinal rule about sharing private information. You went "banana-pants" crazy and then when the board owner comes along to assure everyone that I broke no rules at all (which he did on his own, because I never contacted him) you go straight into denial while maintaining you're still right and I'm wrong because.... "other stuff" you refuse to reference. You can never accept being wrong about anything. You have a long history of doing this, but only with me for some reason. Several years ago I mentioned that Kevin Hill from the forum was a friend of mine and you went completely berserk on me, because you assumed he would be upset with me for mentioning that. His family actually came over to my house for dinner and I found his daughter a home in the Atlanta area. He and his wife have been communicating with us on social media regularly for years now. So you have absolutely zero credibility as a judge on all things regarding the rules and what people have allowed me to say. You just assume the worst and go off at the lip with wild accusations. Most telling is the recent incident where you thought you "tricked" me into breaking a rule, because it only proves you're someone with nefarious intent and like to engage in bad faith arguments just for the hell of it. Your only consistency is your inconsistency and eagerness to take the sides of those you favor in debate. It seems every message board has a couple of people like this, but ultimately you contribute nothing of value. All you do is set up sides and recruit support from uninvolved participants while driving wedges in the community.

Now you're still refusing to produce threads of whatever it is the hell you're talking about because you know very well you're just making crap up and exaggerating for effect. The bottom line is I've never attempted to out anyone unless they were using anonymity as a cover so they could publicly denigrate my wife. Maybe if you were married and had a special someone, you'd be inclined to defend them just the same if they were being publicly attacked. And yes, if I own a board and someone comes there to publicly humiliate my family, you can bet your ass I'll ban them permanently. Your suggestion that I'd just start sharing their emails and in real life identities to the world because I'm all about revenge is supported by nothing other than your own projection and ignorance. If confidentiality is an issue for any board participant, that is easily remedied with a non-disclosure agreement. Problem solved.

If I wanted to "get revenge" as you keep suggesting, then I would have posted some humiliating details about both individuals, but all I've done is let them know that I know who they are because as a deterrent it works well. And this is proven by the fact that they both ceased any talk about my wife and they've ceased using my in real life name. Doc has still pushed the envelope with me by flat out making up dumb stuff and attributing to me things I've never said (i.e. that I love communism, I believe only white supremacists are violent at protests, etc) but even with all this I still haven't outed the details of his in real life beyond mentioning his name briefly before editing it out. And to be clear, this is something I could very easily do if I were half the piece of crap you keep suggesting I am.

I cannot imagine any scenario in any situation that I would call someone else's wife a whore, neither directly nor indirectly. It doesn't matter how pissed off I get at someone, my mind just doesn't go in that direction. I don't lash out at people off forum I don't know or have never met. I've seen both of them on social media, and they both seem like lovely ladies and at times I feel sorry for them and wonder how embarrassed they'd be if they knew the racist and misogynistic crap their husbands post on the web. I couldn't ever imagine calling them whores. And yet, that's happened twice to my wife on this forum because the "system" hasn't worked. Anyone who has character traits that are so flawed as to do something like this should be banned immediately, without discussion. The fact that one of those guys has a criminal history of domestic violence towards women and also spent quite a bit of time obsessively attacking the women in the Kavanaugh hearings, is hard for me to ignore. The fact that one of these guys also insists on using a criminal background of a recent shooting victim to exaggerate for effect while failing to disclose his own history that discredits all of his opinions on the subject, is also just too much irony to ignore. Some people are just not good people and don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

But on this forum, such people are championed as victims by people like you because you're into that fake morality shtick and you like to put on shows for those you feel are on your side. You're basically the Donald Trump of the forum and you'll rub anyone's back who rubs yours first, right or wrong doesn't seem to matter. Every forum has someone like you on it, and in my view you contribute nothing of value in terms of expanded internet discussion and understanding. With most of the veteran posters on the forums, I can associate at least something to them as their forté, something they've made a significant contribution to our understanding. Most people associate me with expertise on the KEP/Book of Abraham, along with my insider knowledge as a former FAIR member and personal interactions with several notable LDS scholars, some of whom have left the faith since our epic online debates.

With you, all I can associate with you are dumb social spats like this one and Mama bear syndrome. As far as I can tell, you've never contributed anything of value to any meaningful debate on neither Mormonism nor socio-economics issues. And the same is true for Doc, who appears to be here just to disagree with people for fun.

[_Lemmie]

that is really all this is about which is why you needed to recruit one of your girlfriends to come in here to support your BS about me. Lemmie shows up on the Spirit Paradise forum, out of the blue, for the first time in probably years, just to vote in support of your accusations against me and then she leaves - hardly a coincidence.

Lol what utter BS. First time in years? I’ve posted dozens of times this summer alone in Paradise, and even started a thread in July. I’ve read this thread since the beginning before your nonsense started up. You have zero credibility with me, but what’s most laughable is your narcissism.

I posted here because you bragged about outing someone, at the same time discussing wanting to own the board. That’s too big of a problem to let go unnoticed. Your last post is even worse.

I don't lash out at people I don't know or have never met

Except when you do, right?

[Guest]

Lol what utter ____. First time in years?

There you go ignoring words again, as I said "probably." And your presence has been scarce enough to raise a red flag when you suddenly show up for this alone. No one else is popping in pretending to be terrified of the prospect that I could actually end up owning the board. Not likely to happen, but still pretty hilarious to watch all the faux outrage from you two.

I’ve posted dozens of times this summer alone in Paradise, and even started a thread in July.

So it has been months then, which still doesn't negate my stated reason why you suddenly show up.

I posted here because you bragged about outing someone, at the same time discussing wanting to own the board. That’s too big of a problem to let go unnoticed. Your last post is even worse.

You're again demonstrating your abject ignorance and now making up stuff like Jersey Girl is wont to do. At no time did I "brag" about outing someone nor did I express a desire to own the board. I've stated several times now this wasn't my idea, and I even explicitly stated I never wanted to own it. The only reason I considered it is because it was brought to my attention by other people that this would be the easiest, most viable measure to save the board. No one else wanted to own it or take responsibility for funding it and they wanted someone who's been on the forum long enough to trust that they won't just disappear like Keene/Mav decided to do. This beef about fearing privacy is nonsense. Anyone worried about privacy can solve that issue by not providing any private information. Do you think Shades knows your address and social security number? If you're so paranoid about email addresses, then use a dummy email and a fake name to sign up, but a non-disclosure agreement is the best option.

Except when you do, right?

So you're horrible with ignoring words and in this instance, context. I was clearly referring to people who aren't forum participants. Obviously I will criticize posters here, especially when they're making wild unsupported accusations against me. It is nothing short of disingenuous of you and Jersey Girl to keep painting me as a "word breaker" while ignoring the context as to why that I did what I did, as well as the fact that I've exercised a tremendous amount of restraint by not going nearly as far as I could have, knowing full well nothing could be done about it on a forum with no moderator.

[_Lemmie]

There you go ignoring words again, as I said "probably."

Sigh.

for the first time in probably years,

Oh yes, “the first time in probably years” is very very close to dozens of times in the last several months.

Obviously I will criticize posters here,

Yes, we get that.

No one else is popping in pretending to be terrified of the prospect that I could actually end up owning the board.

So what? I expressed my opinion, which you have misconstrued as being terrified, pretending or otherwise. God what an utter asshole you continue to show yourself to be. At least the blocking function still works on the board.

[_Icarus]

Oh yes, “the first time in probably years” is very very close to dozens of times in the last several months.

This is the first time you've posted in this forum in six weeks.

And I notice you never denied being asked by Jersey Girl to come chime in.

So what? I expressed my opinion, which you have misconstrued as being terrified, pretending or otherwise. God what an utter asshole you continue to show yourself to be. At least the blocking function still works on the board.

Awesome. This means I won't bee seeing any more of your stupid remarks?

[Guest]

Oh yes, “the first time in probably years” is very very close to dozens of times in the last several months.

This is the first time you've posted in this forum in six weeks. And I notice you never denied being asked by Jersey Girl to come chime in.

So what? I expressed my opinion, which you have misconstrued as being terrified, pretending or otherwise. God what an utter asshole you continue to show yourself to be. At least the blocking function still works on the board.

Awesome. This means I won't bee seeing any more of your stupid remarks?

Jersey Girl never asked me to chime in. Your self-stated self-importance is just ludicrous. F-Celestial Kingdom off, asshole.

This is concerning

You just smeared me publicly the other day

Are you talking about yourself? In trying to understand your position, I read some of your posts and found this:

As soon as you admit you're a wife beater.

so you object to being “smeared” but you are perfectly willing to smear people yourself? No mention was made of your wife, so your logic of your attacking back doesn’t seem to hold.

[_Icarus]

Jersey Girl never asked me to chime in. Your self-stated self-importance is just ludicrous. F-Celestial Kingdom off, asshole.

You said you'd put me on ignore! Why did you just break your word?

You cannot be trusted!

And I only wish I could ever be as important as Jersey Girl insists on making me out to be. She is, after all, the one who keeps starting these idiotic fights over her baseless assumptions that always turn out to be wrong. But then again, this is the same person who took my photo off the web and had it framed.

:confused: :confused:

[_Lemmie]

Jersey Girl never asked me to chime in. Your self-stated self-importance is just ludicrous. F-Celestial Kingdom off, asshole.

You said you'd put me on ignore! Why did you just break your word?

You cannot be trusted!

And I only wish I could ever be as important as Jersey Girl insists on making me out to be. She is, after all, the one who keeps starting these idiotic fights over her baseless assumptions that always turn out to be wrong. But then again, this is the same person who took my photo off the web and had it framed.

:confused:

Aww, the baby is confused! You said you wouldn’t be viewing my words anymore!
“Why did you just break your word? You cannot be trusted!”

Good grief. No wonder you have to continue reiterating your self-importance. Enough.

[Guest]

As soon as you admit you're a wife beater.

You do realize the question, "how long have you been beating your wife?" is a common rhetorical device used to point out someone else's faulty reasoning, right?

Guess not.

Move along there, small fry.

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