Four Hours at the Capitol: A Must Watch HBO Documentary

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

There's no whataboutism coming from me. You can actually have two events that entail their own problematic components. The sheer level of lawlessness during the BLM protests dwarf the January 6th insurrection. That doesn't negate the Right's culpability for their actions that led up to it, during it, and the post-facto excuse making. My posting the picture was in context to the Rittenhouse stuff being discussed. Waiving away terroristic threats because some component of their ideology aligns with yours is nonsense at best, or tacitly going along with it at worst.

- Doc

[Chap]

Don't let's dress that stuff up in fancy language: these were criminal acts.

Technically yes. But these offenders were white. They were Patriots. They were acting on justified grievances. Don't believe me? Just ask Tucker Carlson.

This reminds me of that scene from Mississippi Burning, where the local judge sentences a half dozen white supremacists to 10 years in jail but then says he's "suspending" those sentences because the regular white folks of Mississippi were "provoked" by the "interference" of Federal officials investigating the murder of black civil rights activists.

This is how the government defended Capitol Hill during the BLM protests:

Yeah, but those soldiers in your picture weren't real. As Q has told us, they were all BLM activists conducting a False Flag operation. WAKE UP!!!

[K Graham]

There's no whataboutism coming from me. You can actually have two events that entail their own problematic components. The sheer level of lawlessness during the BLM protests dwarf the January 6th insurrection. That doesn't negate the Right's culpability for their actions that led up to it, during it, and the post-facto excuse making. My posting the picture was in context to the Rittenhouse stuff being discussed. Waiving away terroristic threats because some component of their ideology aligns with yours is nonsense at best, or tacitly going along with it at worst.

- Doc

for what it's worth, I wasn't referring to you and didn't see what picture you posted, I was responding to only the comments on this last page. I will say that the bulk of the lawlessness during the BLM protests had nothing to do with the protests, but any crime that happened in any given city during a day when there was a protest, was immediately attributed to the protests by Right Wing media, and then that narrative takes on a life of its own thanks to social media. I remember when FOX News got busted for showing a looped video of dumpster fires in the background on days where there were no fires at all, they just wanted people to think it was just around the clock "violence" wherever black people were upset about being murdered by cops. And in one instance FOX was showing fires that were happening in France.

Protests this past week have been largely peaceful, but Fox News continues to show old footage to rile up viewers

[Cultellus]

Calling a riot a peaceful protest is meant to provoke a reaction. That is the effing point.

Doc Cam and Shades are making sense here. Y’all ding dongs that need to argue for the sake of arguing would do well to listen to what Shades actually asked or said and also to what Doc Cam is saying. So yeah. I agree with Doc here.

[K Graham]

Calling a riot a peaceful protest is meant to provoke a reaction. That is the effing point.

Doc Cam and Shades are making sense here. Y’all ding dongs that need to argue for the sake of arguing would do well to listen to what Shades actually asked or said and also to what Doc Cam is saying. So yeah. I agree with Doc here.

Calling a peaceful protest a riot is meant to provoke outrage. That is the effing point of FOX News and most of the disinformation coming from Right Wing outlets. If they were so confident the BLM protests were going to naturally lead to unbridled violence, then why did they need to send people like the Umbrella Man to go in there undercover to vandalize properties, knowing full well they could then use this as evidence the BLM movement is inherently violent?

Minneapolis Police Reportedly Identify Viral 'Umbrella Man' As White Supremacist

When cops were being killed during that time, the Right Wing media immediately blamed BLM. But it was the Right Wing Boogaloo Boys who did the killing. https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... r-violence

[honorentheos]

Data, yo.

https://acleddata.com/2021/05/25/a-year ... -movement/

[honorentheos]

Regardless of who shot whom or who fired first, the situation is not an example of lawfulness. Advocacy for firearm ownerships should use examples like this entire situation and identify how to prevent them in pro-ownership ways rather than assuming sides. No one involved in a public shootout as occured here was a model citizen.

Well, anybody showing up for demonstrations, protests, marches, where faqs Jr. types are running around with loaded rifles and "getting into faces" ought to make sure their affairs are in order.

Who is going to bait who into making the first move that justifies deadly retaliation.

Lawlessness is a descent into anarchy brought about as people decide the rule of law is not sufficient to maintain or protect their way of life. People with limited opportunities are prone to roll the dice on the stability of the status quo since they feel the odds favor their coming out better off or about the same. That's a basic point from Hofer's book on mass movements from back in 1951 that seems to be an axiomatic truth. What tips the scales to where large numbers of people choose to roll them dice? That's a question whose answer is unique to the times. The legality of carrying a firearm (juxtaposed with lawlessness) is more likely a reaction to the real or perceived level of lawlessness than a base condition that informs whether or not a party is for or against the rule of law. Basically anyone showing up with a gun to a public gathering who is not law enforcement is making it clear they have doubts about the the state of civilization.

[Kishkumen]

It someone did not have a Trump sign and entered the capital with an escort from the Capital Police are they still a Trump Insurrectionist?

In that crowd? Most likely, yes. If you weren’t there for Trump on that day, you were like that kid who shows up for the wrong class on the first day. You are in the wrong place, and you should leave.

We call them the losers, and that pretty much sums it up.

That is the vapid, debased culture of our times, yes. When Cato and Cícero died for the republic, they were immortalized as heroes. People who die for wannabe authoritarians are the losers even when they win.

[Cultellus]

It someone did not have a Trump sign and entered the capital with an escort from the Capital Police are they still a Trump Insurrectionist?

In that crowd? Most likely, yes. If you weren’t there for Trump on that day, you were like that kid who shows up for the wrong class on the first day. You are in the wrong place, and you should leave.

We call them the losers, and that pretty much sums it up.

That is the vapid, debased culture of our times, yes. When Caro and Cícero died for the republic, they were immortalized as heroes. People who die for wannabe authoritarians are the losers even when they win.

Well hell. There ya go. If you and people like you believe that someone at the capital was a lynching insurrectionist (even if they weren’t), then it only makes sense that people that are judged by you apply the same logic to you. People probably think you want to burn down the cities and loot the crap out of the country.

That really is the state of the state.

As long as we keep pretending that the summer of riots was just fun and wholesome, but that a grandma walking the rope line is a killer and insurrectionist, we can just keep on with the great divorce.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Data, yo.

https://acleddata.com/2021/05/25/a-year ... -movement/

From the link:



It’s interesting the study cites 11,000 events with “only” a 6% outbreak of violence. That’s 660 violent events with billions in property damage, injuries, and death. It doesn’t matter how many English national team football matches peacefully occur, it only takes a few times for hooligans appear before the country gains a reputation for hooliganism. Anyway, the study is worth the read if anyone wants to get their perspective.

- Doc