Huge Win for Biden Today

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Re: Huge Win for Biden Today

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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:35 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:34 pm
Do I need to remind you that the elites were against gay marriage and other LGBTQ rights? You recall that Obama ran a campaign AGAINST gay marriage? The Clintons too.

Your reframe is being rejected. Black Populism goes way back in our history. You can stop your racist reframe anytime. Don't let the shame get in your way, pal.

Which is populism - folks promoting critical race theory, or folks expressing their rage about it in school board meetings?

Talk about LGBTQ school issues next.

Your reframe needs a reframe.
Well, if you frame the elite as being liberal intellectual elite this is too easy. Obviously Ivy League professors are pushing their elitist agenda onto people including the children of good people who won't put up with that much longer. So of course they are fighting back in school board meetings and on social media.

If you frame the elite as the white power structure then critical race theory is being misrepresented by those in power to maintain their privileged status and marginalization of minorities. Who are the pure good people.

Or, you know, we could frame it as a problem where our national ideals of small d democratic access to opportunity has fallen short in meaningful ways and in so doing we can chart a path to better realizing those ideals. No conflict between elites and the people needed.
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:35 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:34 pm
Do I need to remind you that the elites were against gay marriage and other LGBTQ rights? You recall that Obama ran a campaign AGAINST gay marriage? The Clintons too.

Your reframe is being rejected. Black Populism goes way back in our history. You can stop your racist reframe anytime. Don't let the shame get in your way, pal.

Which is populism - folks promoting critical race theory, or folks expressing their rage about it in school board meetings?

Talk about LGBTQ school issues next.

Your reframe needs a reframe.
Tell me, panny. What is it?
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Re: Huge Win for Biden Today

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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:53 pm
canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:35 pm



Which is populism - folks promoting critical race theory, or folks expressing their rage about it in school board meetings?

Talk about LGBTQ school issues next.

Your reframe needs a reframe.
Tell me, panny. What is it?

Cat got your tongue, suddenly?

I’ll wait for you to reconcile your use of black activism as proof of a populist expression of the will of the good majority against your apparent disdain for critical race theory, the concept of systemic racism, and the folks who support either.
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:12 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:53 pm


Tell me, panny. What is it?

Cat got your tongue, suddenly?

I’ll wait for you to reconcile your use of black activism as proof of a populist expression of the will of the good majority against your apparent disdain for critical race theory, the concept of systemic racism, and the folks who support either.
Is this a math problem?
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Boston Review wrote:Of course, one reason to reclaim “populism” is precisely to redefine its meaning in the public sphere. Since the 1950s liberal scholars have waged a decades-long campaign to discredit populism as reactionary, unruly, and unrealistic. Their influence reverberates in media headlines that routinely blur left and right populisms in a panic over “Populist Rage.” Take 2016, when Sanders and Donald Trump costarred in headlines warning of a “Populist Earthquake,” a “Populist Disaster,” and the “Revenge of the Populists.”
As I was saying, the word "populism" isn't something anyone would self-identify as except Cultellus. Whether you wish to believe it's inherently problematic or as this author writes, it has been vilified by liberal scholars, the result is, as of today in 2021, nobody is out there self-identifying as a populist.

Words are fluid. If somebody wishes to get out there and "reclaim" populism as a word that has a positive connotation, like say, "democratic", which both has a technical definition and a positive connotation, then so be it. Maybe a new party arises calling themselves populists. But until that party or group arises, it hasn't arisen, it's just Cultellus beating his own drum.

A better question for Cultellus would be, what of importance has populism ever accomplished?

- many leaders and movements have been labelled as populist by scholars.
- I'm only aware of the "populist party" over a hundred years ago that self-identified as populist like Cultellus does, maybe there some other examples in history, but I doubt there are any worth mentioning in recent history.

Out of any of these, what are the worthwhile accomplishments of populism? Have populists ever achieved their aims?
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Re: Huge Win for Biden Today

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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:52 pm
canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:12 pm



Cat got your tongue, suddenly?

I’ll wait for you to reconcile your use of black activism as proof of a populist expression of the will of the good majority against your apparent disdain for critical race theory, the concept of systemic racism, and the folks who support either.
Is this a math problem?
Pound = Sand.

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Re: Huge Win for Biden Today

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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:31 pm
Boston Review wrote:Of course, one reason to reclaim “populism” is precisely to redefine its meaning in the public sphere. Since the 1950s liberal scholars have waged a decades-long campaign to discredit populism as reactionary, unruly, and unrealistic. Their influence reverberates in media headlines that routinely blur left and right populisms in a panic over “Populist Rage.” Take 2016, when Sanders and Donald Trump costarred in headlines warning of a “Populist Earthquake,” a “Populist Disaster,” and the “Revenge of the Populists.”
As I was saying, the word "populism" isn't something anyone would self-identify as except Cultellus. Whether you wish to believe it's inherently problematic or as this author writes, it has been vilified by liberal scholars, the result is, as of today in 2021, nobody is out there self-identifying as a populist.

Words are fluid. If somebody wishes to get out there and "reclaim" populism as a word that has a positive connotation, like say, "democratic", which both has a technical definition and a positive connotation, then so be it. Maybe a new party arises calling themselves populists. But until that party or group arises, it hasn't arisen, it's just Cultellus beating his own drum.

A better question for Cultellus would be, what of importance has populism ever accomplished?

- many leaders and movements have been labelled as populist by scholars.
- I'm only aware of the "populist party" over a hundred years ago that self-identified as populist like Cultellus does, maybe there some other examples in history, but I doubt there are any worth mentioning in recent history.

Out of any of these, what are the worthwhile accomplishments of populism? Have populists ever achieved their aims?
Who is responsible for the corruption of the concept of populism? The elite liberal scholars. Whose being deprived by the manipulation of said elite? The people. The BR article is just populist propaganda selling populist framing.

If you can find a copy of the journal article I mention in the thread there are chapters on the history of populism including it's modern (well, up to the 2010s) incarnations.

Populism A Very Short Introduction
By: Cas Mudde, Cristobal Rovira Kaltwasser

It's available through Amazon for relatively cheap and through journal subscriptions.

It looks like Mudde has been publishing on recent populism so I'm waiting on his latest work to arrive to see what, if anything, has changed in his approach given the Trump/Brexit escalation.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:46 pm
I will always see Biden as a decent the President just for getting this done. It's probably not a perfect bill, but it's something.
But it really doesn't matter. It doesn't improve your life or mine.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:31 am
Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:46 pm
I will always see Biden as a decent the President just for getting this done. It's probably not a perfect bill, but it's something.
But it really doesn't matter. It doesn't improve your life or mine.
Speak for yourself.
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Re: Huge Win for Biden Today

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K Graham wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:10 am
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:31 am


But it really doesn't matter. It doesn't improve your life or mine.
Speak for yourself.
The polls are looking really bad for Democrats. At this point it is probably best for Roe vs Wade to be overturned so it politically helps the Democrats.
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