Romney on Pardoning Trump

[canpakes]

Coup? Without the military?

If Trump were President, legitimately lost the election and then refused to leave office, who will be asking the military to do what, specifically?

In other words, what does the military do about a coup when the coup leader remains in power, illegitimately?

Serious question, counselor.

[Moksha]

Outside of swing and purple states, the voters don't get to decide, because of the Electoral College. Even then, the decision is ultimately up to how the state has designed its Elector system.

In Utah, they would reflexively vote for Stalin or Caligula as long as they had a capital R in front of their name. Trump is the mutant in the system who has been allowed to run roughshod over previous sacred principles. Enough for his base to call for a Unified Reich.

[Doctor Steuss]

Gasoline prices could go down. Energy prices could go down.

Fun fact: Under the Biden administration, the US is producing more oil than it has in its entire history. Not only is it producing more than it ever has, it's producing more oil than any other country in the world.

But hey, maybe Trump could "drill-baby-drill," or something. If we ignore the fact that under him, domestic production plummeted, domestic oil companies were bankrupted, and we lost over 60% of our domestic rigs. Guess what the trend was, even before COVID? (I'll give you a hint, it follows the same trend as Trump's socialist spending, and deficit ballooning, that made Obama look like a right-wing extremist, prior to COVID.)

(This space reserved for the inconvenient fact that Trump caused gas and oil prices to go up, with a deal with OPEC to reduce production. The same deal was still in effect when Biden took office... but, it's somehow Biden's fault, or something.)

[Res Ipsa]

Gasoline prices could go down. Energy prices could go down.

Fun fact: Under the Biden administration, the US is producing more oil than it has in its entire history. Not only is it producing more than it ever has, it's producing more oil than any other country in the world.

But hey, maybe Trump could "drill-baby-drill," or something. If we ignore the fact that under him, domestic production plummeted, domestic oil companies were bankrupted, and we lost over 60% of our domestic rigs. Guess what the trend was, even before COVID? (I'll give you a hint, it follows the same trend as Trump's socialist spending, and deficit ballooning, that made Obama look like a right-wing extremist, prior to COVID.)

(This space reserved for the inconvenient fact that Trump caused gas and oil prices to go up, with a deal with OPEC to reduce production. The same deal was still in effect when Biden took office... but, it's somehow Biden's fault, or something.)

Right now, gasoline prices are relatively high because Russia and Saudia Arabia both cut production back in September 2023. Saudia Arabia's cuts are due to end in June, but they may be extended. We're also approaching summer, when US gasoline prices tend to increase as demand increases for summer vacations and refinery units go offline for maintenance.

[Doctor Steuss]

We're also approaching summer, when US gasoline prices tend to increase as demand increases for summer vacations and refinery units go offline for maintenance.

I've often wondered why there isn't a new high-capacity sweet crude refinery constructed, unless investors simply don't see long-term viability in the US's domestic output. Seems like it would be an absolute windfall for a company that undertook it, eliminating the freight costs of bringing in sour crude from overseas to refine.

If it is a long-term viability issue, I wonder if it's due to proven reserves, or more-so the volatility of domestic production (?). Either way, would probably make for a decent political gamble to publicly fund it for the short-term political/economic dividends.

[Dr Exiled]

Coup? Without the military?

If Trump were President, legitimately lost the election and then refused to leave office, who will be asking the military to do what, specifically?

In other words, what does the military do about a coup when the coup leader remains in power, illegitimately?

Serious question, counselor.

He left office when he was supposed to, bitching and moaning, but left. So, there was no need to take the action to remove him like you contemplate in your hypothetical.

I hope your hypothetical doesn't happen and we have to find out who would do what.

[Vēritās]

He left office when he was supposed to, bitching and moaning, but left. So, there was no need to take the action to remove him like you contemplate in your hypothetical.

I hope your hypothetical doesn't happen and we have to find out who would do what.

He left because he had no choice. He's made a test run and sees that the problem is who he appoints to positions of power. If elected it is conceivable if not probable that he would install a puppet government loaded with loyalists who do his bidding no matter what that might entail. Imagine his attorney general being Jeanine Pirro or Sydney Powell. Imagine Michael Flynn being Secretary of Defense. Imagine the Fed chairman being whoever the Heritage Foundation suggests to slash rates to zero. Imagine Trump doing loyalty tests for all of our generals and then firing the ones he thinks might turn on him in the event of another coup attempt.

[Jersey Girl]

If Trump were President, legitimately lost the election and then refused to leave office, who will be asking the military to do what, specifically?

In other words, what does the military do about a coup when the coup leader remains in power, illegitimately?

Serious question, counselor.

He left office when he was supposed to, bitching and moaning, but left. So, there was no need to take the action to remove him like you contemplate in your hypothetical.

I hope your hypothetical doesn't happen and we have to find out who would do what.

Glad you joined us down here Exiled! You failed to answer the question posed to you. Here is the question:

In other words, what does the military do about a coup when the coup leader remains in power, illegitimately?

Your answer, please?

[Dr Exiled]

He left office when he was supposed to, bitching and moaning, but left. So, there was no need to take the action to remove him like you contemplate in your hypothetical.

I hope your hypothetical doesn't happen and we have to find out who would do what.

He left because he had no choice. He's made a test run and sees that the problem is who he appoints to positions of power. If elected it is conceivable if not probable that he would install a puppet government loaded with loyalists who do his bidding no matter what that might entail. Imagine his attorney general being Jeanine Pirro or Sydney Powell. Imagine Michael Flynn being Secretary of Defense. Imagine the Fed chairman being whoever the Heritage Foundation suggests to slash rates to zero. Imagine Trump doing loyalty tests for all of our generals and then firing the ones he thinks might turn on him in the event of another coup attempt.

1. That is my point. He lost the election, bitched and moaned, then left at the appointed time.

2. The Senate has to approve his appointments. That could/probably will limit the Nazi type government the media hypes.

[Dr Exiled]

He left office when he was supposed to, bitching and moaning, but left. So, there was no need to take the action to remove him like you contemplate in your hypothetical.

I hope your hypothetical doesn't happen and we have to find out who would do what.

Glad you joined us down here Exiled! You failed to answer the question posed to you. Here is the question:

In other words, what does the military do about a coup when the coup leader remains in power, illegitimately?

Your answer, please?

Go off to war like they always do? There are still a lot of countries our military needs to enter and establish bases.

Seriously, the military is supposed to defend the constitution and stop the coup . What do you think about Zelensky over-staying his appointed time? Should the Ukrainian military Slava Ukraini and force him out or at least force elections?