Biden needs to step aside

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Re: Biden needs to step aside

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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:10 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:59 pm
If President Biden is unwell and not capable of running the country, setting policies, making Presidential decisions, and rolling out directives, then we obviously have an unelected person, and/or unelected people, that are running this country, setting policies, making Presidential decisions, and rolling out new directives.

So, if we discover that the "if" statement is true, does this, now factual statement, concern you? Would it be the end of our democracy? How about our Republic?
No. Not particularly.
Thanks for answering.

For what it's worth - Unelected people running the country concerns me a great deal.
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Re: Biden needs to step aside

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ceeboo wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:19 pm
Thanks for answering.

For what it's worth - Unelected people running the country concerns me a great deal.
Do you think Trump will have you vote for everyone he is going to shove into his Executive Branch after he fires all the career bureaucrats?
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Re: Biden needs to step aside

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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:21 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:19 pm
Thanks for answering.

For what it's worth - Unelected people running the country concerns me a great deal.
Do you think Trump will have you vote for everyone he is going to shove into his Executive Branch after he fires all the career bureaucrats?
WTF?
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Re: Biden needs to step aside

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ceeboo wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:30 pm
WTF?
They are “unelected people running the country,” aren’t they?
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Two weeks ago, when I started this thread, Joe Biden had just barely closed out the first of 2024's presidential debates with Donald Trump. That evening, I posted that Biden should drop out of the race because of his poor performance. I didn't (and don't) think that he could win the election. Even though I said that, I also expressed my opinion that I didn't think that there was a chance in hell that Biden would leave--and that, at least as far as the presidential election went, the party would probably be doomed.

I've changed my mind on this point. Given the mounting public pressure, I don't see how Biden can continue. I'm going to predict that sometime before the mid-August Democratic Convention, Biden will find a way to leave.

If this happens, the sooner the better. The cleaner the cleaner. The more transparent the better.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:32 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:30 pm
WTF?
They are “unelected people running the country,” aren’t they?
Kish, are you serious?

These people are put in place by the elected President. They are under the command of the elected President. They can be relieved of their duty by the elected president. The elected President is the person (singular) that the people have elected to run the country.

If this elected person (singular) is not running the country, how can you possibly not be very concerned?
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ceeboo wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:43 pm
Kish, are you serious?

These people are put in place by the elected President. They are under the command of the elected President. They can be relieved of their duty by the elected president. The elected President is the person (singular) that the people have elected to run the country.

If this elected person (singular) is not running the country, how can you possibly not be very concerned?
Yes, ceeboo, but you didn’t elect them! Just like you didn’t elect all those bureaucrats you are apparently afraid of. It’s all so undemocratic, right? I mean, you hate the unelected people Biden put in, and I don’t like the unelected people Trump put in. But you were the one saying that you didn’t like people running the country who were not elected. But surely all these people were hired under some president’s watch, right? Or are you saying that the entire Executive Branch should be staffed with unelected people that only your favorite presidents put in?
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Re: Biden needs to step aside

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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:33 pm
Just like you didn’t elect all those bureaucrats you are apparently afraid of.
I am not afraid of anyone.
I mean, you hate the unelected people Biden put in, and I don’t like the unelected people Trump put in.
I don't hate anyone.

I am impressed by you comparing my hate with you not liking though. That's special.
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ceeboo wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:48 pm
I am impressed by you comparing my hate with you not liking though. That's special.
OK, what about unelected people running the country concerns you a great deal? In other words, which people? What are the concerns? More information, please?
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Morley wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:38 pm
Two weeks ago, when I started this thread, Joe Biden had just barely closed out the first of 2024's presidential debates with Donald Trump. That evening, I posted that Biden should drop out of the race because of his poor performance. I didn't (and don't) think that he could win the election. Even though I said that, I also expressed my opinion that I didn't think that there was a chance in hell that Biden would leave--and that, at least as far as the presidential election went, the party would probably be doomed.

I've changed my mind on this point. Given the mounting public pressure, I don't see how Biden can continue. I'm going to predict that sometime before the mid-August Democratic Convention, Biden will find a way to leave.

If this happens, the sooner the better. The cleaner the cleaner. The more transparent the better.
As of right now, I'd take that bet. Barring the kind of major, catastrophic health event the good Dr. Steuss has alluded to I just don't see him stepping away. Post debate polling hasn't showing it getting any worse than the initial slide, which is actually pretty impressive given the sheer amount of negative press he is taking over it. There are indications that the Democrats shift towards tying Trump to Project 2025 is gaining ground, along with the opening up of further Epstein documents that don't play well for Trump. Given that and the still relatively long time period before the actual Election I truly believe they think they can get across the finish line.

Again, this isn't saying yours (and lots of folks) concerns about him aren't valid or that a potential change might actually work, just that the campaign is trying to get out there "you're stuck with us now move on" and I don't see anything that makes me think that will change unless their hand is truly forced.
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