Trump and Allies Actively Trying to Make California Fire Disaster Worse

[Gunnar]

Trump & allies pull BOMBSHELL move over LA fires
Trump, Musk and their MAGA allies have obviously, from the very start of the fire catastrophe in the LA area, directed their efforts almost exclusively on scoring political points by falsely blaming Democrats and liberals. Rather than compassionately trying to help the situation and support the efforts to combat the fires, they seem determined to actually make the situation even worse than it already is by their torrents of lies and assessing blame to their political opponents. Almost everything they are claiming is demonstrably false and/or ridiculous. One of the most ridiculous claims is Jesse Watters claim that the fact that the LA county fire chief is a lesbian had something to do with the cause or, at least, the severity of the disaster.

The false claim that Governor Newsom had decriminalized looting is particularly despicable, as this will surely encourage looters and only make looting even more likely that it already is.

Contrary to Trump's claim that Newsom had cut funds for firefighting, he has more than doubled the funds and resources devoted to that, and the fleet of firefighting aircraft allocated to that purpose is the world's largest. Help for the beleaguered firefighter is being augmented by volunteers from not only our country, but from other nations, including Canada and Mexico and even Ukraine, who despite their own problems has sent 150 of their own firefighters!

Trump and his allies' disinformation campaign has almost certainly cost additional lives, and I think a good case could be made for charging Trump and Musk with murder and accessories to murder because of that.

[Dr. Shades]

Trump and his allies' disinformation campaign has almost certainly cost additional lives, and I think a good case could be made for charging Trump and Musk with murder and accessories to murder because of that.

How does disinformation about a fire cause a fire to kill more people?

[Marcus]

Trump and his allies' disinformation campaign has almost certainly cost additional lives, and I think a good case could be made for charging Trump and Musk with murder and accessories to murder because of that.

How does disinformation about a fire cause a fire to kill more people?

I am having a difficult time believing you are asking this question in good faith. Could you elaborate on what you mean?

[Gadianton]

How does disinformation about a fire cause a fire to kill more people?

Imagine a fire raging on 12 ABC street and dozens of people are trapped inside the building. A right-winger calls the fire department and reports a fire on 47 QRS street, miles away, with traffic, from 12 ABC street. The fire department sends the last available fire truck to 47 QRS. There is no fire there. The right-winger made the call due to posts on 4chan claiming Lady Gaga and Hilary Clinton were in the basement of 47 QRS attempting to burn it down.

[Gunnar]

How does disinformation about a fire cause a fire to kill more people?

I am having a difficult time believing you are asking this question in good faith. Could you elaborate on what you mean?

The deliberate disinformation about the fire coming the MAGA camp is likely designed to distract from and potentially interfere with efforts to combat it. Trump is obviously determined to find anything he can that he can use to blame and vilify his political opponents for the disaster, and the worse the disaster becomes the more he can make use of it to blame and vilify them. I don't think Trump cares how many people are hurt and killed because of this catastrophe. From his twisted point view, the worse it gets, the better for him if he can successfully convince the public to pin the blame on his political rivals.

[Gunnar]

How does disinformation about a fire cause a fire to kill more people?

Imagine a fire raging on 12 ABC street and dozens of people are trapped inside the building. A right-winger calls the fire department and reports a fire on 47 QRS street, miles away, with traffic, from 12 ABC street. The fire department sends the last available fire truck to 47 QRS. There is no fire there. The right-winger made the call due to posts on 4chan claiming Lady Gaga and Hilary Clinton were in the basement of 47 QRS attempting to burn it down.

Excellent example!

[Gunnar]

Trump and his allies' disinformation campaign has almost certainly cost additional lives, and I think a good case could be made for charging Trump and Musk with murder and accessories to murder because of that.

How does disinformation about a fire cause a fire to kill more people?

The deliberate disinformation about the fire coming the MAGA camp is likely designed to distract from and potentially interfere with efforts to combat it. Trump is obviously determined to find anything he can that he can use to blame and vilify his political opponents for the disaster, and the worse the disaster becomes the more he can make use of it to blame and vilify them. I don't think Trump cares how many people are hurt and killed because of this catastrophe. From his twisted point view, the worse it gets, the better for him if he can successfully convince the public to pin all or most of the blame for it on his political rivals.

One thing is for certain about Trump. No matter how abundant or incontrovertible the evidence against his ignorant or deliberate disinformation, he will double down and triple down on insisting it must be true, just as he stubbornly doubled down on demanding that the Central Park five be prosecuted and executed even after they were incontrovertibly proven to be innocent.

[Marcus]

I am having a difficult time believing you are asking this question in good faith. Could you elaborate on what you mean?

The deliberate disinformation about the fire coming the MAGA camp is likely designed to distract from and potentially interfere with efforts to combat it. Trump is obviously determined to find anything he can that he can use to blame and vilify his political opponents for the disaster, and the worse the disaster becomes the more he can make use of it to blame and vilify them. I don't think Trump cares how many people are hurt and killed because of this catastrophe. From his twisted point view, the worse it gets, the better for him if he can successfully convince the public to pin the blame on his political rivals.

His motives are pathological, in my opinion.

I've noticed recently that the press seems much more inclined to immediately identify Trump's disinformation, inaccurate innuendo and outright lies, and to label his comments as one of those things openly and specifically, and then to fairly quickly post very good explanations with well-documented sources combating whatever nonsense he has spouted. That gives me some hope for the future.

But it is still unutterably sad that this country elected such a morally corrupt person as the next leader of our country.

[Gunnar]

His motives are pathological, in my opinion.

I've noticed recently that the press seems much more inclined to immediately identify Trump's disinformation, inaccurate innuendo and outright lies, and to label his comments as one of those things openly and specifically, and then to fairly quickly post very good explanations with well-documented sources combating whatever nonsense he has spouted. That gives me some hope for the future.

But it is still unutterably sad that this country elected such a morally corrupt person as the next leader of our country.

I agree with all the above, but I am somewhat hopeful that the "press seems much more inclined to immediately identify Trump's disinformation", if this continues to be true. It is frightening how many people have not yet figured out how morally corrupt a person Trump has proved himself to be. That should have been blazingly obvious to any sane, moral and informed person from the very moment the infamous Access Hollywood tapes became publicly known! It has only become more and more obvious during his presidency and by his actions since!

Elon Musk seems to be doing his best to further enable Trump's perfidy. I wish I could fully understand why. Surely Musk is intelligent enough to realize how perniciously dishonest and dangerous all this misinformation is, even if Trump himself is too stupid realize it. Musk is already, arguably, the wealthiest person on earth, and that is not enough for him? He apparently aspires to be the DeFacto President and, probably, the most powerful political and influential human being on earth and couldn't care less about the vast majority of his fellow human beings. I don't think his motives are any less pathological than Trump's. Brian Tyler Cohen has a powerful take on this.

[Moksha]

How does disinformation about a fire cause a fire to kill more people?

I think it is demoralizing that Trump will deliberately not help due to politics and is willing to spread ill will and disinformation because that is who he is. You may disagree, but that is not how Presidents usually behave.