Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez unleashes

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez unleashes

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In the video linked below, Adam Mockler plays portions of an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez live stream wherein she takes down Musk and tells us WHY she thinks he's got his fingers in the US Treasury Dept. You may already know about this but with the way Trump pumped stuff out like a fire hose in his first term (still does) I sure didn't recall anything about an upcoming deadline.

Run time just shy of 11 minutes. Please watch and comment. Does her reasoning fly or not fly? Please let's keep this thread on her reveal.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Finally BULLIES ELON To His Face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMrEBtf7_xQ
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:19 pm
In the video linked below, Adam Mockler plays portions of an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez live stream wherein she takes down Musk and tells us WHY she thinks he's got his fingers in the US Treasury Dept. You may already know about this but with the way Trump pumped stuff out like a fire hose in his first term (still does) I sure didn't recall anything about an upcoming deadline.

Run time just shy of 11 minutes. Please watch and comment. Does her reasoning fly or not fly? Please let's keep this thread on her reveal.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Finally BULLIES ELON To His Face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMrEBtf7_xQ
Trump and Musk and all their ilk don't even try to deny that their goal is to further enrich and empower themselves and that they want and need to further impoverish the neediest and most vulnerable in order to acquire the means to do it. Incontrovertible proof of the old adage that the love of money is the root of all evil! It astounds me that they can't see or don't care how antithetical their actions and words are to the Christian religion they claim to believe in and want to force on everyone else!
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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 2:09 pm
Trump and Musk and all their ilk don't even try to deny that their goal is to further enrich and empower themselves and that they want and need to further impoverish the neediest and most vulnerable in order to acquire the means to do it. Incontrovertible proof of the old adage that the love of money is the root of all evil! It astounds me that they can't see or don't care how antithetical their actions and words are to the Christian religion they claim to believe in and want to force on everyone else!
One thing that gives me slight solace is knowing that all the wealth in the world can't make these pathetic pieces of crap happy. They still need more.

If there's one thing the information age has taught us, it's that ultra-wealthy people are amongst the most insecure people in the world. They aren't to be admired, but pitied for their insatiable appetites. They are bottomless wells of emptiness, and think only money can fill the hole in there souls. They live unhappy lives and will die unhappy, because they can't be satisfied.

ETA: Of course there are exceptions - your major philanthropists of the world. Those are the people who deserve real admiration.
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I don't see the video as showing any proof that Trump and Musk are looking at spending so they can enrich themselves. It starts with a lot of ad hominem attacks and then talks about a not so secret reality that the Trump tax cuts will sunset in 2025.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-t ... to-deliver

It seems like it's just bitching and moaning over finding out about unnecessary expenditures. How about doing the same thing to the DOD and other areas? DOGE seems like a good start. Now let's keep it going. If medicare is inefficient, then let's have that debate. Let's also look closely at the coming debate regarding tax cuts for the donors that fund both parties. Both parties have spent us toward bankruptcy and perhaps we can't keep up the spending for empire any more.

Also, the donors need to pay their fair share.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:41 pm
Also, the donors need to pay their fair share.

What if the donors also lead companies that find lots of clever or questionable ways to skirt paying taxes?

What if the biggest donor is subsequently given his own agency by the fellow he donated to, and proceeds to thrash about within the US government without so much as a security clearance for himself and his unknown helpers?

Is that a double-plus good thing, or maybe a bad thing?

Elon Musk’s company avoided almost all federal income tax on nearly $11 billion of U.S. income over three years

Tesla, the most valuable automaker in the world valued at over $1 trillion, did not pay any federal income tax last year.

Tesla’s annual financial report, released this morning, shows the company enjoyed $2.3 billion of U.S. income in 2024 on which it reports precisely zero current federal income tax. Over the past three years, the Elon Musk-led company reports $10.8 billion of U.S. income on which its current federal tax was just $48 million. That comes to a three-year federal tax rate of just 0.4 percent – more than 50 times less than the statutory corporate tax rate of 21 percent.


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Tesla saved half a billion in taxes last year using accelerated depreciation. Tax breaks for executive stock options shaved a quarter billion off the company’s tax bill. Unspecified “U.S. tax credits” were good for $300 million of tax savings. Musk’s company also used net operating losses to offset current year income, although it’s hard to know how much of that affects U.S. income rather than the company’s far-larger foreign income.

Congress might give Tesla even more tax breaks. A bill passed by the House of Representatives in the previous Congress would have retroactively reinstated a provision allowing full expensing of research and development expenses which could save the company up to $2.4 billion in taxes.
https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-fe ... x-in-2024/
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One thing that stands out to me about DOGE is that MAGA Republicans currently have control of the executive branch, both houses of the legislative, the Supreme Court, and all federal enforcement and investigative agencies.

If there were legitimate concerns about corruption, inefficiencies, etc., in organizations and their budgets that have been legally established through legislative action, they could all easily be handled Constitutionally.

Should government waste and corruption be reined in? Absolutely. Thankfully, to some extent, we have independent inspectors general to assist with that process. Well, except for all for all of the independent inspectors general that Trump fired. Curious to be concerned about waste and corruption, and to get rid of a bunch of people who investigate and combat waste and corruption.

So far (and I may be overly pessimistic, and conspiratorial here), DOGE seems to be nothing more than a way for Elon and his little crew of frat techbros to data mine for profit, while also enacting revenge on organizations that Elon has a grudge against (like USAID for helping end his family's much-needed DEI policy of apartheid in South Africa).

If MAGA actually cares about ending corruption and waste, then put actual experienced auditors, lawyers, and criminal investigators on the task, through legislation. Telling lies about condoms, while helping to ensure babies get AIDS, just to flood the zone and keep everyone distracted seems to be effective, but it's also really weird. Let's get rid of waste, but let's do it effectively, competently, and legally. With actual evidence, and policy changes. Not "I shut this down, because trust me bro."
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We're quickly approaching the point where there are zero checks on Trump's power. And most Americans don't care.
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drumdude wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:23 pm
We're quickly approaching the point where there are zero checks on Trump's power. And most Americans don't care.
Take a look at history where the party in power almost always loses control of at least one side of congress in the mid-election. 2026 isn't that far away and the people will have a chance to right whatever wrongs there are. Perhaps between now and then the Democrats need to find the former heart of their party again instead of doing what Schumer outlined some time ago on Maddow's show:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/c ... n-suburbs/

His strategy hasn't worked.
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canpakes wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:07 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:41 pm
Also, the donors need to pay their fair share.

What if the donors also lead companies that find lots of clever or questionable ways to skirt paying taxes?

What if the biggest donor is subsequently given his own agency by the fellow he donated to, and proceeds to thrash about within the US government without so much as a security clearance for himself and his unknown helpers?

Is that a double-plus good thing, or maybe a bad thing?

Elon Musk’s company avoided almost all federal income tax on nearly $11 billion of U.S. income over three years

Tesla, the most valuable automaker in the world valued at over $1 trillion, did not pay any federal income tax last year.

Tesla’s annual financial report, released this morning, shows the company enjoyed $2.3 billion of U.S. income in 2024 on which it reports precisely zero current federal income tax. Over the past three years, the Elon Musk-led company reports $10.8 billion of U.S. income on which its current federal tax was just $48 million. That comes to a three-year federal tax rate of just 0.4 percent – more than 50 times less than the statutory corporate tax rate of 21 percent.


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Tesla saved half a billion in taxes last year using accelerated depreciation. Tax breaks for executive stock options shaved a quarter billion off the company’s tax bill. Unspecified “U.S. tax credits” were good for $300 million of tax savings. Musk’s company also used net operating losses to offset current year income, although it’s hard to know how much of that affects U.S. income rather than the company’s far-larger foreign income.

Congress might give Tesla even more tax breaks. A bill passed by the House of Representatives in the previous Congress would have retroactively reinstated a provision allowing full expensing of research and development expenses which could save the company up to $2.4 billion in taxes.
https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-fe ... x-in-2024/
That's something the Wall Street Democrats that worship their billionaires perhaps need to take a hard look at. They need to go back to their former base. Schumer's plans to go after the wealthier segment hasn't worked.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/c ... n-suburbs/
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:47 pm
canpakes wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:07 pm
What if the donors also lead companies that find lots of clever or questionable ways to skirt paying taxes?

What if the biggest donor is subsequently given his own agency by the fellow he donated to, and proceeds to thrash about within the US government without so much as a security clearance for himself and his unknown helpers?

Is that a double-plus good thing, or maybe a bad thing?
That's something the Wall Street Democrats that worship their billionaires perhaps need to take a hard look at. They need to go back to their former base. Schumer's plans to go after the wealthier segment hasn't worked.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/c ... n-suburbs/
The suggested strategy of ‘Make the Democrats fix the unconstitutional dismantling of government agencies by random billionaires doing so via Trump’s explicit permission and under complete Republican acquiescence and control’ seems somewhat resigned on your part.

Any other ideas?
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