WW2 politics, and leading up to the War and beyond...

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

He’s arguing the Nazis didn’t to want initially kill the Jews, but as the war evolved they were either forced to liquidate them due to resource constraints, or they died due to supply lines being cut so starvation and disease took over. He doesn’t have the balls to come out and say what he’s really getting at, which is he believes the numbers of Jews killed in WWII were greatly exaggerated by the Jews in order to use it as a cudgel to gain control over the goyim.

Nazi apologists put the figure of Jewish death at ~350,000.

- Doc

I'm not, I am arguing it was not clear and their were mixed views. I stated this in some of my first posts here. In 41, when they went East, it is clear that they let Russian POW's die, and that was a clear plan by some Nazis, and not so by others. Hitler want Jews dead from early on, he said so, but there were political reasons he could not just do so....it was complicated in that context as history shows.

You are showing a real weakness to go down the road that I am supporting the murder of Jews as less than it was. That show you are just losing the argument and unwilling to come to grips with the whys of the Holocaust and how it evolved.

Your arguments speak for themselves. When asked, repeatedly, why are you so interested in the topic you go silent or you dip into plausible deniability.

We’re all aware of Hitler’s statements about Jews, how the war unfolded, and how Hitler went about enacting his final solution. It’s not like he couldn’t have let them go. You know how migrants from all-over-the-“F” walk to Europe? He could’ve just marched them out or trucked them to Turkey or to a port and put em on a cargo ship to the Levant or Turkey. Or Africa. Or wherever.

But, Hitler didn't want Jews spreading globally and reinforcing what he imagined as a "worldwide Jewish conspiracy." He wanted a final solution, and, in my opinion, always intended to kill the vast majority of Jews he could find as he found emigration as simply pushing the ‘problem’ down the road.

So. Again. What’s up? Why are you soft pedaling Nazi apologist arguments?

- Doc

[Marcus]

...You are correct, Cooper did not mention gassing, or to others assertion being stressed....he said this....

Yeah. Well, and the next thought that comes into their head is that, oh, you're saying Churchill was the chief villain, therefore his enemies, Adolf Hitler and so forth, were Stalin, the protagonists. Right. They're the good guys. If you think he's a villain, that's not the case. That's not what I'm saying. Germany, look, they put themselves into a position, and Adolf Hitler is chiefly responsible for this, but his whole regime is responsible for it, that when they went into the east in 1941, they launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners and so forth that they were going to have to handle. They went in with no plan for that, and they just threw these people into camps, and millions of people ended up dead. There you have letters as early as July, August, 1941, from commandants of these makeshift camps that theyre setting up for these millions of people who were surrendering or people theyre rounding up. So its two months after, a month or two after Barbarossa was launched, and theyre writing back to the high command in Berlin saying, we can't feed these people.

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We don't have the food to feed these people. And one of them actually says, rather than wait for them all to slowly starve this winter, wouldn't it be more humane to just finish them off quickly now? And so this is like two months into the invasion. Right? And my view on this, I argue with my zionist interlocutors about this all the time with regard to the current war in Gaza. Look, man, maybe you, as the Germans, you felt like you had to invade to the east. Maybe you thought that Stalin was such a threat or that if he launched a surprise attack and seized the oil fields in Romania, that you would now not have the fuel to actually respond and you'd be crippled and all of Europe would be under threat. And whatever it was, whatever it was, that, like, maybe you thought you had to do that, but at the end of the day, you launched that war with no plan to care for the millions and millions of civilians and prisoners of war that were going to come under your control, and millions of people died because of that. You can look at it and say, well, yeah.

It is important to me, that if you want a review, we start here, with your first false assertion, which ironically. more or less buy now. One of the "arguments" I am asserting is that up until Barbarossa and a while beyond, the Nazis were mixed with the answer for the Jewish Question. History just isn't clear here....which is what Cooper is saying, they had no clear plan going east, and because of that Millions died, which is just the truth.

Cooper states his view, by saying it was his view, that they had no clear plan which is just true, they were exploring many different avenues at he time Barbarossa was launched. Keep in mind and this is critical, Barbarossa was launched in June of 41, and yet the Wannsee conference was not held until six months later in early 42 where senior staff meet, to nail down the "Final Solution" to the Jewish Question.

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I just saw that Markk's post to Morley included a reposting of the section of the Cooper transcript that includes the part that's been shown to completely untrue. Markk has posted this lie multiple times in this thread, after it's been shown to be a lie. Markk has no credibility.

[Kishkumen]

Markk has no credibility.

Yup!

[canpakes]

It seems that with the conversation going on for over a week, Markk hasn’t been able to explain what point he’s arguing. It’s absolutely odd.

He’s arguing the Nazis didn’t to want initially kill the Jews, but as the war evolved they were either forced to liquidate them due to resource constraints, or they died due to supply lines being cut so starvation and disease took over. He doesn’t have the balls to come out and say what he’s really getting at, which is he believes the numbers of Jews killed in WWII were greatly exaggerated by the Jews in order to use it as a cudgel to gain control over the goyim.

Nazi apologists put the figure of Jewish death at ~350,000.

- Doc

I do get that he’s making an excuse for Cooper’s ‘accidental holocaust’ insinuation, but it just seems like an odd campaign for him to engage with.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

He’s arguing the Nazis didn’t to want initially kill the Jews, but as the war evolved they were either forced to liquidate them due to resource constraints, or they died due to supply lines being cut so starvation and disease took over. He doesn’t have the balls to come out and say what he’s really getting at, which is he believes the numbers of Jews killed in WWII were greatly exaggerated by the Jews in order to use it as a cudgel to gain control over the goyim.

Nazi apologists put the figure of Jewish death at ~350,000.

- Doc

I do get that he’s making an excuse for Cooper’s ‘accidental holocaust’ insinuation, but it just seems like an odd campaign for him to engage with.

It’s part of a broader strategy by the radical right to expose the Jews and Jewish global control. Jews are broadly viewed by people like Cooper to be leftists and behind the degeneracy that ails the world, such as sexual liberation, transgenderism, and so forth; it’s cultural Marxism, In other words. Lots and lots of white Christian nationalists have lapped this up. As it turns out, whatever Nazi sympathizers that were low crawling around throughout the post-WW2 decades have found surprisingly fertile ground with the Christians, descendants of the Confederates, and young people, in particular young men.

Markk knows what he’s doing, but leaving enough wiggle room for plausible deniability. Same with the now “reformed” Ajax18, and the poster formerly known as Droopy Dogshit.

As an aside, when I was making the rounds and meeting my wife’s family in Utah, I was introduced to an absolute pig crap of a man that married one of her aunts; they were living in Brigham City. That was the first time where I was exposed to these arguments. For whatever reason, when he found out I was retired military, he decided to soft sell his fascism to me, and he began to talk about the very things Markk is talking about now. Unsurprisingly his bookshelf was full of WW2 history. Lots and lots of Nazi-centric books. He also talked about how WW2 wasn’t a legitimate war, and that the only legitimate war we’ve waged was the Revolutionary war. Think about it. He didn’t think the unionists had a right to fight to keep the Union together.

- Doc