The economy?

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Chap wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:34 pm
The cuts to Medicaid will inevitably mean that if one of those admirable people becomes seriously ill, they may simply have no access to medical care apart from swallowing painkillers. Does that bother you at all?
I’ve seen some babble from MAGAland that implies that if 12 million folks lose Medicaid coverage, it will be because they were all illegal aliens anyway. Which is weird, because if we are busying ourselves with kicking out of the country every immigrant whether naturalized or not, then that would eliminate all of the supposed Medicaid freeloaders, and additional changes would not be required.

That said, I understand and completely agree with the POV that our continued deficit spending trendline is unsustainable, but a bill that targets the most vulnerable Americans in order to allow the richest amongst us to benefit by incredible orders of magnitude over the average American - while increasing our deficit spending - seems like an indefensible approach. I don’t know if I should applaud ajax for his ability to pivot on command regarding our balance sheet, or wonder how so many folks are so easily ordered to park their common sense at the door in favor of obsequiousness.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 3:35 pm
The cuts to Medicaid will inevitably mean that if one of those admirable people becomes seriously ill, they may simply have no access to medical care apart from swallowing painkillers. Does that bother you at all?
I don't rejoice in anyone's suffering, not even the welfare class that games the system. There are times when people do honestly need help. That's going to be something that they work out with the bishop in my community. I'll continue to give fast offerings as part of the effort. These things need to be done at local level and face to face. Otherwise the system is too easily abused and quickly bankrupted.
"Bishop"? The vast majority of the admirable people who become seriously ill without being able to access medical care and thus "honestly need help" will not be Mormons. Many, if not most, will not be part of any kind of community that will offer them help in their hour of need. So they may meet their ends in prolonged and unrelieved suffering, which might not have been the case if Medicaid had still been available.

Does that bother you at all?

(Please note - I did NOT ask whether you would rejoice at their suffering.)
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:27 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:05 pm
With this big stupid bill my state will lose something like 7 hospitals, and 82,000 vulnerable people won’t get healthcare. We’re a small state, so I can only imagine what the other 49 will go through. Between the stupid tariffs, which take a huge crap on the middle and lower classes, and ripping away all these hospitals, well, leopards will be eating a lot of faces.
Anyone who works here legally is getting a tax break and likely a raise. If you're on welfare or here illegally, the Trump movement is not for you. This was what Trump promised before the election. This is what we voted for. Thankfully for the taxpayer, you guys didn't get your way and the working class taxpayer got a reprieve.
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Ajax18
Anyone who works here legally is getting a tax break and likely a raise. If you're on welfare or here illegally, the Trump movement is not for you. This was what Trump promised before the election. This is what we voted for. Thankfully for the taxpayer, you guys didn't get your way and the working class taxpayer got a reprieve.
Only in America could a billionaire make us pay for HIS golf weekends (tens of millions of dollars just for the Secret Service protecting him) and tell us WE can't have food, art, science, health or art.
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Ah come on, paying for billionaire golf weekends is trivial.

The plan is to now fund ICE to a degree higher than Russia spends on its military while massively expanding the deficit in a way that transfers trillions to the billionaire class.

Funding his golf trips and his private authoritarian state police force.
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¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:36 pm
Ah come on, paying for billionaire golf weekends is trivial.

The plan is to now fund ICE to a degree higher than Russia spends on its military while massively expanding the deficit in a way that transfers trillions to the billionaire class.

Funding his golf trips and his private authoritarian state police force.
Indeed. Its all part of his wishes. Complain about anyone else having anything good, except himself. Before we know it he will force his followers to pray to him and wash his feet.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 3:35 pm
... not even the welfare class that games the system.
Yeah, what's with those people deliberately growing old to game the system? Besides, that Medicaid money is needed to help offset the tax cuts for billionaires!!!

Do you think deliberately sentencing grandma and grandpa to death constitutes a tipping point in the American political system?
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