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Res Ipsa
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Re: Leadership

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Chap wrote:
Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:57 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:35 pm
I apologize for my ignorance here, but I'm having difficulty processing this line:


I've never seen God's (or gods' as the Greek tragedians may require) grace expressed as being "awful." Has there been some linguistic transformation or translation funk with the word? This makes more sense from a "full of awe" etymology rather than the negative context of awful (at least to me).
We need to look at the Greek word, not the English translation. Professor Kishkumen?
There is also an archaic usage of awful — inspiring reverential wonder our fear.
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Re: Leadership

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Chap wrote:
Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:57 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:35 pm
I apologize for my ignorance here, but I'm having difficulty processing this line:


I've never seen God's (or gods' as the Greek tragedians may require) grace expressed as being "awful." Has there been some linguistic transformation or translation funk with the word? This makes more sense from a "full of awe" etymology rather than the negative context of awful (at least to me).
We need to look at the Greek word, not the English translation. Professor Kishkumen?
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Violent/forcible, methinks, is the grace of the gods . . .
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Re: Leadership

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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Sep 25, 2025 7:05 pm
Chap wrote:
Thu Sep 25, 2025 6:57 pm


We need to look at the Greek word, not the English translation. Professor Kishkumen?
δαιμόνων δέ που χάρις βίαιος
Violent/forcible, methinks, is the grace of the gods . . .
Thanks Professor!
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