What is the War's Cost

[ajax18]

... the war offers enormous benefits in safety, security, and American global and economic dominance that serves an incalculable long term benefit to working Americans.

Really? It looks like all those things to you?

Maybe it's all in the word "offers". The question is whether Trump's way of conducting this war is remotely likely to deliver those benefits. At the moment, the war as Trump is conducting it seems to be having opposite effects to those you mention.

I'm sure many said the same of WW2. Nothing of worth is achieved without sacrifice. China is now buying American oil. They can't get oil from Iran or Venezuela anymore. America's position in the world is stronger than ever. There's no more talk of BRICs replacing the dollar. The US as the lone superpower is far better for America and the world than parts of the world dominated by the CCP, Putin, or Maduro.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Really? It looks like all those things to you?

Maybe it's all in the word "offers". The question is whether Trump's way of conducting this war is remotely likely to deliver those benefits. At the moment, the war as Trump is conducting it seems to be having opposite effects to those you mention.

I'm sure many said the same of WW2. Nothing of worth is achieved without sacrifice. China is now buying American oil. They can't get oil from Iran or Venezuela anymore. America's position in the world is stronger than ever. There's no more talk of BRICs replacing the dollar. The US as the lone superpower is far better for America and the world than parts of the world dominated by the CCP, Putin, or Maduro.

The GOP wants child marriages. You endorse this.

[canpakes]

Really? It looks like all those things to you?

Maybe it's all in the word "offers". The question is whether Trump's way of conducting this war is remotely likely to deliver those benefits. At the moment, the war as Trump is conducting it seems to be having opposite effects to those you mention.

I'm sure many said the same of WW2. Nothing of worth is achieved without sacrifice. China is now buying American oil. They can't get oil from Iran or Venezuela anymore. America's position in the world is stronger than ever. There's no more talk of BRICs replacing the dollar. The US as the lone superpower is far better for America and the world than parts of the world dominated by the CCP, Putin, or Maduro.

When are we going after Korea for having nukes and being run by a nutcase who Hates America™®©?

What parts of the world does the CCP and Russia have less influence over today than 6 months ago? Especially given that Trump has scaled back on sanctions regarding Russian oil sales, allowing Putin to sell more and enrich Russia further?

What part of America First is reflected in selling our oil to China, who could end up banking some of it while their purchases (demand) raise US (domestic) gas and energy prices?

Asking for 100 million non-MAGA friends. Thanks!

[Res Ipsa]

Really? It looks like all those things to you?

Maybe it's all in the word "offers". The question is whether Trump's way of conducting this war is remotely likely to deliver those benefits. At the moment, the war as Trump is conducting it seems to be having opposite effects to those you mention.

I'm sure many said the same of WW2. Nothing of worth is achieved without sacrifice. China is now buying American oil. They can't get oil from Iran or Venezuela anymore. America's position in the world is stronger than ever. There's no more talk of BRICs replacing the dollar. The US as the lone superpower is far better for America and the world than parts of the world dominated by the CCP, Putin, or Maduro.

LOL! You're not willing to "sacrifice" to the extent of paying your taxes, and yet defend price spikes that are getting you nothing. We've had to educate you dozens of times on how oil economics works. We mostly consume the oil we produce. If China starts buying our oil, that raises your price at the pump and the airline ticket counter. Are you an oil executive? Do you hold millions in oil stocks? If not, you're sacrificing to put money oil the pocket of oil companies. That makes you a loser.

The dollar is already being replaced by the Yuan. Trump has had to go begging to China with business leaders traveling thousands of miles to genuflect at Xi's feet. Trump taught China that the US is a paper tiger when it imposed tariffs, then backed off when China threatened to cut off exports of rare minerals. Trump taught Iran that the US is a paper tiger by teaching it that it can fight off US weaponry with much cheaper missiles and drones. The closure of the Strait of Hormuz showed the world that there is no such thing as fossil fuel independence. Oil is an internationally traded commodity. Iran knows that we are dependent, not just on oil, but on the price of oil. We are much less secure today than we were when use of military force was a bargaining chip that Iran did not know the value of.

The evidence was clear that Iran was not planning a nuclear weapon. It was no threat to the U.S. We had plenty of time to negotiate an agreement with Iran that would have been more favorable to us than what we are likely to end up with. Before Trump's war, control of the Strait was only a theoretical bargaining chip for Iran. Now we've proved to them that they can control the strait. That theoretical chip now is a real chip with value that Iran could only have dreamed of three months ago.

The world has been significantly destabilized by Trump's war. That means we are all less safe, not more.

You don't even understand Trump's positions, to the extent he has them. He doesn't want the U.S. to be the lone superpower. He wants to go back to spheres of influence, with the CCP controlling Asia and Putin controlling Europe. Each gets to dominate its own neighborhood.

[ajax18]

I'm sure many said the same of WW2. Nothing of worth is achieved without sacrifice. China is now buying American oil. They can't get oil from Iran or Venezuela anymore. America's position in the world is stronger than ever. There's no more talk of BRICs replacing the dollar. The US as the lone superpower is far better for America and the world than parts of the world dominated by the CCP, Putin, or Maduro.

LOL! You're not willing to "sacrifice" to the extent of paying your taxes, and yet defend price spikes that are getting you nothing. We've had to educate you dozens of times on how oil economics works. We mostly consume the oil we produce. If China starts buying our oil, that raises your price at the pump and the airline ticket counter. Are you an oil executive? Do you hold millions in oil stocks? If not, you're sacrificing to put money oil the pocket of oil companies. That makes you a loser.

The dollar is already being replaced by the Yuan. Trump has had to go begging to China with business leaders traveling thousands of miles to genuflect at Xi's feet. Trump taught China that the US is a paper tiger when it imposed tariffs, then backed off when China threatened to cut off exports of rare minerals. Trump taught Iran that the US is a paper tiger by teaching it that it can fight off US weaponry with much cheaper missiles and drones. The closure of the Strait of Hormuz showed the world that there is no such thing as fossil fuel independence. Oil is an internationally traded commodity. Iran knows that we are dependent, not just on oil, but on the price of oil. We are much less secure today than we were when use of military force was a bargaining chip that Iran did not know the value of.

The evidence was clear that Iran was not planning a nuclear weapon. It was no threat to the U.S. We had plenty of time to negotiate an agreement with Iran that would have been more favorable to us than what we are likely to end up with. Before Trump's war, control of the Strait was only a theoretical bargaining chip for Iran. Now we've proved to them that they can control the strait. That theoretical chip now is a real chip with value that Iran could only have dreamed of three months ago.

The world has been significantly destabilized by Trump's war. That means we are all less safe, not more.

You don't even understand Trump's positions, to the extent he has them. He doesn't want the U.S. to be the lone superpower. He wants to go back to spheres of influence, with the CCP controlling Asia and Putin controlling Europe. Each gets to dominate its own neighborhood.

I paid for $5/ggallon under Biden for futile environmentalism nonsense, open borders, and welfare queens. I'm happy to pay it to advance my country to get rid of the Ayatollahs and put Russia and China in their place.

[Res Ipsa]

LOL! You're not willing to "sacrifice" to the extent of paying your taxes, and yet defend price spikes that are getting you nothing. We've had to educate you dozens of times on how oil economics works. We mostly consume the oil we produce. If China starts buying our oil, that raises your price at the pump and the airline ticket counter. Are you an oil executive? Do you hold millions in oil stocks? If not, you're sacrificing to put money oil the pocket of oil companies. That makes you a loser.

The dollar is already being replaced by the Yuan. Trump has had to go begging to China with business leaders traveling thousands of miles to genuflect at Xi's feet. Trump taught China that the US is a paper tiger when it imposed tariffs, then backed off when China threatened to cut off exports of rare minerals. Trump taught Iran that the US is a paper tiger by teaching it that it can fight off US weaponry with much cheaper missiles and drones. The closure of the Strait of Hormuz showed the world that there is no such thing as fossil fuel independence. Oil is an internationally traded commodity. Iran knows that we are dependent, not just on oil, but on the price of oil. We are much less secure today than we were when use of military force was a bargaining chip that Iran did not know the value of.

The evidence was clear that Iran was not planning a nuclear weapon. It was no threat to the U.S. We had plenty of time to negotiate an agreement with Iran that would have been more favorable to us than what we are likely to end up with. Before Trump's war, control of the Strait was only a theoretical bargaining chip for Iran. Now we've proved to them that they can control the strait. That theoretical chip now is a real chip with value that Iran could only have dreamed of three months ago.

The world has been significantly destabilized by Trump's war. That means we are all less safe, not more.

You don't even understand Trump's positions, to the extent he has them. He doesn't want the U.S. to be the lone superpower. He wants to go back to spheres of influence, with the CCP controlling Asia and Putin controlling Europe. Each gets to dominate its own neighborhood.

I paid for $5/ggallon under Biden for futile environmentalism nonsense, open borders, and welfare queens. I'm happy to pay it to advance my country to get rid of the Ayatollahs and put Russia and China in their place.

Why do you continue to spout nonsense? the high gas prices under Biden were caused by the Ukraine war and supply chains ramping up after the pandemic. They were worldwide, not specific to anything Biden did or didn't do. Your racist claim that welfare queens had anything to do with the price of gas is as deranged as your hero.

The world is not rid of Ayatollahs. There are still Ayatollahs in Iran. There will continue to be Ayatollahs in Iran. Ayatollahs are Shia Muslim Clerics. Your statement is the equivalent of saying you'd be happy to get rid of LDS Apostles. Unless you are willing to mass murder the entire religious population, the religion will have its leaders.

And Trump has never intended to put Russia and China in their places. He is giving both larger places in the world than they had before. He has worked hard to try and give Ukraine to Russia and will undoubtedly let China take Taiwan. He's an old, doddering, weak fool, and he has made the US over in his image.

[canpakes]

I paid for $5/ggallon under Biden for futile environmentalism nonsense, open borders, and welfare queens.

As Res mentions, none of those three things had anything to do with elevated gas prices years go. That was your friend Putin’s doing, with his attack on Ukraine causing the escalation.

That being the case, I don’t think that you actually believe what you wrote there, but if you respond with, “I truly believe that futile environmentalism nonsense, open borders, and welfare queens caused gasoline to spike in price in 2022”, then I may reconsider that you just weren’t keeping up with current events.

I'm happy to pay it to advance my country to get rid of the Ayatollahs and put Russia and China in their place.

As pointed out earlier:

• The supply of ayatollahs is unlimited and our attack is only causing a refresh with a round of minting a new batch,

• Putin is now strengthened by having oil sale sanctions lifted by Trump,

• China can now help bleed our oil supply down while simultaneously helping to raise the cost of gas for US consumers.

… and (bonus):

• Whereas ‘control over the Straight of Hormuz’ was only a theoretical card that could be played by a hostile power, Trump has proven to the world that it’s a card that can be wielded effectively by a lesser/rogue nation, leaving the US largely powerless to prevent it.

[ajax18]

As Res mentions, none of those three things had anything to do with elevated gas prices years go. That was your friend Putin’s doing, with his attack on Ukraine causing the escalation.

As Res mentioned, the scamdemic stimulus response helped raise gasoline and inflation in the US. I was never in favor of forbidding young healthy people from going to work during the scamdemic. We're still paying the costs of a virus that 99.96% of people under 72 yoa with no comorbities survived with little more than a mild case of the flu. The vaccine mandates were also expensive and contrary to the rationale for vaccine mandates they did nothing to stop the spread of COVID. We still all got COVID and 99.96% of us survived, at least physically, but thanks to Democrat fearmongering in an effort to sabotage the Trump 1 economy, we didn't fare so well economically.

[Res Ipsa]

As Res mentions, none of those three things had anything to do with elevated gas prices years go. That was your friend Putin’s doing, with his attack on Ukraine causing the escalation.

As Res mentioned, the scamdemic stimulus response helped raise gasoline and inflation in the US. I was never in favor of forbidding young healthy people from going to work during the scamdemic. We're still paying the costs of a virus that 99.96% of people under 72 yoa with no comorbities survived with little more than a mild case of the flu. The vaccine mandates were also expensive and contrary to the rationale for vaccine mandates they did nothing to stop the spread of COVID. We still all got COVID and 99.96% of us survived, at least physically, but thanks to Democrat fearmongering in an effort to sabotage the Trump 1 economy, we didn't fare so well economically.

It's sad how you aren't able to respond to simple point without lying and Gish galloping through the same tired, false talking points that people have refuted multiple times.

I certainly did not say that. I didn't talk about economic stimulus at all. We experienced both an oil shortage caused by the Ukraine war and a demand spike as economies recovered from pandemic induced recessions. The only president that caused an oil price hike connected with the pandemic was Trump, who went to Saudi Arabia and asked them to raise prices by cutting production.

More importantly, I would not disrespect the over 1 million Americans who died of COVID by referring to it as a scam. But, then, I'm not into eugenics.