Health Care Update

[_richardMdBorn]

Moksha,

I'm back from vacation if you want to continue the discussion.

[_bcspace]

Richard, was it morally right or wrong to want health care coverage for all?

Morally wrong. Health care is not a right. There is no way to provide it for all and any attempt to do so shifts moral decisions away from those that rightfully should be making them.

[_JAK]

Richard, was it morally right or wrong to want health care coverage for all?

Morally wrong. Health care is not a right. There is no way to provide it for all and any attempt to do so shifts moral decisions away from those that rightfully should be making them.

The question was: “…was it morally right or wrong to want health care coverage for all?”

Previous references were to the United States and health care. The rejoinder was “Morally wrong.” The question is in regard “to want health care coverage for all.” The rejoinder appears to say it’s “morally wrong” to want that which is a benefit to Americans. It appears a difficult position to defend.

The question did not address an issue of “a right” as opposed to an ideal or goal.

bcspace said: “There is no way to provide it for all and any attempt to do so shifts moral decisions away from those that rightfully should be making them.”

Who should “rightfully” be making “moral decisions”? The statement implies that someone, or some collection of people should be making moral decisions. Who is that? Who “rightfully should be making them”?

The US government has spent hundreds of billions, killing Iraqis, not to account for the maiming of tens of thousands of civilians, not to account for the deaths of thousands of Americans and the maiming of tens of thousands of American fighters. “Weapons of mass destruction” was the lie upon which the USA attacked Iraq. Is there any moral issue there?

Is there no moral issue in the health and well-being of American citizens in America?

If one subscribes to “the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” quality of health and health care is relevant.

JAK

[_Joseph]

Richard, was it morally right or wrong to want health care coverage for all?

Morally wrong. Health care is not a right
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mr space is crazy. How can it be morally wrong to WANT health caare coverage for everyone?

If they are going to have it, right or wrong, it should cover full dental care as well. Too many health problems are related to dental trouble.

[_richardMdBorn]

Does anyone want to discuss rent control (yes, it's related to health care).

[_JAK]

While it might be “related,” it’s quite a far-out tangent to your original post and responses to it. In addition, it begs the question and relevant issue: “Richard, was it morally right or wrong to want health care coverage for all?” moksha

MSNBC recently reported that the USA is 50th in life expectance despite various claims that the USA has the “best health care” in the world. If MSNBC’s report is correct, the USA clearly does not have the “best health care” in the world.

Your original post addressed “health care” presumably in the USA. “Rent” is so far off the issue as to be essentially irrelevant to the issue of what we, as a nation (USA) can or ought to do with regard to the health care of citizens.

It also fails to address relevant issues in cost to this post.

Not only is “health care” an important issue for the USA, what the USA spends and has spent killing tens of thousands of people in the quest to destroy “weapons of mass destruction” is also relevant to what the USA can or could have done for the health care of its own citizens.

Clearly, a case can be made that a preemptive attack of a country based on a lie is a moral issue.

And, clearly, the health and well-being of the citizens of the USA is an issue which has moral as well as economic relevance.

Given the development of this topic “rent control” is of virtually no relevance to your original post or to the subsequent responses to it including this one.

JAK

[_richardMdBorn]

Your original post addressed “health care” presumably in the USA. “Rent” is so far off the issue as to be essentially irrelevant to the issue of what we, as a nation (USA) can or ought to do with regard to the health care of citizens. ]JAK[/color]

I assert that rent control causes distortions in the market. Do you agree or disagree with this? Does government intervention in health care distort the market? Of course it does. The relevance of rent control to government intervention in health care two is obvious to anyone who has a modicum of economic knowledge.

[_Brackite]

Richard, was it morally right or wrong to want health care coverage for all?

Hi Moksha,

Most of the Republicans wanted a health care reform bill, but what the Democrats did was pass a very Partisan 'Obamacare' bill. All 178 Republicans within the House of Representatives voted no on the 'Obamacare' bill, along with 32 Democrats within the House of Representatives. The Bi-Partisanship came in opposition to the 'Obamacare' bill within the House of Representatives. I am for the Repeal of the Partisan Passed 'Obamacare’ bill.

[_SoHo]

Richard, was it morally right or wrong to want health care coverage for all?

Hi Moksha,

Most of the Republicans wanted a health care reform bill, but what the Democrats did was pass a very Partisan 'Obamacare' bill. All 178 Republicans within the House of Representatives voted no on the 'Obamacare' bill, along with 32 Democrats within the House of Representatives. The Bi-Partisanship came in opposition to the 'Obamacare' bill within the House of Representatives. I am for the Repeal of the Partisan Passed 'Obamacare’ bill.

What are the offensive elements of 'Obamacare'?

[_JAK]

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