Kevin Graham wrote:Notice that Loran's last ditch effort to salvage his argument is in fact a retreat and move the goal posts. Now he blames 30 years of government, failing to mention that this includes three Republican administrations.
Now? Uh...actually I've been making this argument (because its factually accurate) for many years now. And yes, it began in the Carter years and transverses both Democratic and Republican administrations (but since when, as a rule, have I defended Republicans around here?)
All he can do now complain that I've cut and pasted the data. Well, of course I did. I like to back up my claims with references.
So do I, but the difference is that you are very limited when it comes to doing your own thinking, and need the references, not so much to "back up" what your saying, but to make the case for you.
That he would call Cato a leftist organization
CFR (Cato is libertarian...obviously, a fact I've known for about, oh, 25 years).
is almost as funny as his earlier claim that an article written by the Heritage foundation was nothing but leftist tripe. Of course he didn't know it was written by Heritage until after I let him embarrass himself further.
While I don't recall that particular incident, or the issue at hand in any detail, its also true I don't support each and every claim made at Heritage by each and every scholar there. Nor do I feel the need to.
Loran isn't upset that I cut and paste for convenience. He is upset that he cannot deal with these refutations. he projects his methods onto me, as he merely parrots Heritage and Cato. Not a single original idea or argument comes from his mind. Not one. He operates in abject ignorance.
Our problem is that some people actually have a substantive understanding of economics and a good working knowledge of social and political history, while you are here primarily to
pose as an intellectual and score debating points in any way you can, no matter the personal debasement involved. Huge, huge difference.
Wow! "Straight from the White House?" Now there's a source for you! Yup, that's critical thinking and intellectually serious sourcing of arguments, straight from the fountain of truth that is the Obama White House in the ocean of veracity that is the Federal government to the dean of critical philosophical discourse, Kevin Graham.
Jolly good show.
The fact is, oil is bought and sold in a world market.
Yes, grounded in the laws of supply and demand that operate just as rigorously and invariably in domestic markets as in world markets.
The truth is that there is no silver bullet to address rising gas prices in the short term, but there are steps we can take to ensure the American people don’t fall victim to skyrocketing gas prices over the long term. That’s why since taking office the President has been focused on a sustained, “all-of-the-above” approach to developing new domestic energy sources, expanding oil and gas production,
Lie number one: Obama's licensing of new oil development and drilling is down some 36% from his predecessor and well below Clinton's. Virtually all of the new oil being produced is coming off private lands, which Obama and the green gestapo cannot (as of yet) restrict.
and reducing our reliance on foreign oil, most notably through the historic fuel economy standards the President has established, which will nearly double the efficiency of the vehicles we drive and save families $1.7 trillion at the pump.
Pure political twaddle. Fuel economy standards are nothing more than a red raw bone thrown yet again to a major part of his base, the environmental movement, that has nothing whatsoever to do with our energy problems (well, in a sense the environmental movement is our central energy problem) and everything to do with political control of individual choice and economic life (and let's all remember to inflate our tires properly).
Secondly, doubling the fuel efficiency of present automobiles will result in several things, the first being tiny, lightly built cracker-box cars posing extreme safety hazards, especially for children, in collisions even at relatively very low speeds, and and economic unviablilty in the marketplace, resulting in the automotive industries producing such boutique ideological status vehicles being dependent on taxpayer subsidies or government debt to remain viable, as with everything else in the "green" technology sector. Driving in cars made of tin foil paying European prices for gas is a recipe for a severe and long term contraction of the economy into a state of mediocrity marked by sky high prices for everything (as everything requires energy to produce, use, or get to), high unemployment, severely limited economic opportunity, and dreary economic performance. Just what Obama and the anti-American, America-must-be-just-like-everyone-else socialist day care center state political culture he represents has so long desired and fought for.
Conservation is a wonderful thing, for the individual and at the family economic level. On a national level, its a recipe for economic decrepitude. The answer to the price of oil is in increased supply, and the answer to increased supply is massive expansion of drilling, refining, and delivery of oil to domestic consumers. The national answer, in other words, is not conservation, proper inflation of tires, and driving Tonka Toys, but production, production, production.
It’s true that in the near term, the U.S. will continue to rely on responsibly produced oil and gas, but over the long term, the Obama administration is committed to a policy that allows us to transition from oil towards cleaner alternatives and energy efficiency. This strategy is a win-win scenario. A win for the economy. A win for energy security. And a win for the environment. Despite the facts, Republicans have continued to ratchet up the rhetoric, distorting facts and in some cases pushing complete falsehoods for short term political gains.
Wind power - economically unviable and overloaded with negatives, economic and social.
Solar - economically unviable at the present time, and, like wind, intermittent, unreliable, and completely dependent upon the vagaries of nature for its utility.
Geothermal - great idea, but limited because of limited locations and availability.
Nuclear - great technology, but a religious taboo to the Left and the environmental movement.
“Over the last three years, your administration has blocked, slowed, and discouraged the production of critical American energy sources.”False. The numbers speak for themselves. Since 2008, U.S. oil and natural gas production has increased each year, while imports of foreign oil have decreased.
This bald lie has been blasted to bits all across the landscape. Virtually all of this is on private land, over which Obama has, as yet, no control. Permitting under Obama for drilling on government owned land is down substantially over his predecessors.
Even if you fail to give the Obama Administration the credit it deserves in helping to expand this production, any notion that production has been blocked or slowed, doesn’t square with the facts.
But you don't know what the facts are, and don't care to know, which is part of what makes debating you on anything such a masochistic experience.
“This President continues to limit offshore areas to energy production and is granting fewer leases on public land for oil drilling.”False. In the wake of the largest oil spill in U.S. history the Obama Administration put in place important new standards that ensured that drilling continued, but that the lessons of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill were recognized, and guided future production. Today drilling and production continues, but in line with these important new standards. In fact, since new standards were put into place last year, the administration has approved hundreds of permits for drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, including:
308 permits for deep water drilling activities for 94 unique wells in the Gulf of Mexico and;
113 permits for shallow water wells in the Gulf of Mexico.
In fact, we are now permitting at levels seen before the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, all while meeting these important new standards.
Nice if true, especially considering that, as of January of this year, deep water permits were down 88%
since Obama lifted his illegal moratorium on deep water drilling. Something smells in these claims, and as Gregory Rusovich, chairman of the Business Council of Greater New Orleans and the River Region said back in January:
it’s a step in the right direction, but not nearly enough:
What was the step? Not over 400 deep and shallow water permits, but just two permits since October of last year.
“We’re pleased that BOEMRE has stated that it is doing away with unnecessary hindrances. But we still are not seeing improvements in the number of deep-water permits being approved on a monthly basis. Without changes to the permitting process, we still face an uphill battle. And we will continue to track BOEMRE’s actions as opposed to its words.”
In fact, as the government website gives no dates, its impossible to ascertain the time frame of the alleged permitting, or its size relative to the destruction of jobs and drilling (one company was forced into bankruptcy by the moratorium).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... d=yahoo_hsInvestors Business Daily published an excellent analysis of the situation as of the beginning of the year:
http://news.investors.com/article/55887 ... il-war.htmSome other factual tidbits in this article are worth looking at here:
Since President Obama took office in January 2009, the price of oil has rocketed 117% to $90.41 a barrel and gasoline has jumped 67% to $3.07 a gallon. In the 34 industrialized nations, oil imports have surged 34% in the last year to $790 billion. The U.S. alone has seen a $72 billion jump.
All this imperils a fragile recovery from the financial crisis. "Oil prices are entering a dangerous zone for the global economy," says Fatih Birol, chief economist at the International Energy Agency.
Given the clear threat, it's economically irrational to sit on our hands and fail to develop our own energy resources. At least 130 billion barrels of oil and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas lie offshore, and hundreds of billions of barrels more are locked in shale deposits in the Northeast and West. Yet our policy remains leaving this wealth alone.
More than mere incompetence is at work here. It's becoming more and more obvious that Obama's energy policy is meant to raise prices by making fossil fuels harder to produce and use. Indeed, the White House has followed a deliberate policy of attacking Americans' use of energy, turning it into something of a moral crusade.
In just two years, as Steve Everley of the American Solutions blog has noted, the Obama administration has:
• Virtually shut down oil drilling in the Gulf. Yes, the six-month moratorium announced during the BP oil spill ended in November. But regulators have made it nearly impossible for oil firms to restart operations and have slapped strict new rules on drilling even in shallow waters.
• Put hundreds of billions of barrels of offshore oil and gas off-limits to exploration and production. By executive order, the administration has taken much of the energy-rich Outer Continental Shelf out of play. This, according to the Energy Information Administration, will cut this year's output by 220,000 barrels a day.
• Canceled 77 existing drilling leases in Utah, one of Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar's first actions and a move that set the tone for the Obama administration's war on energy.
• Proposed new taxes on energy, including the cap-and-trade fiasco, that have had a chilling effect on new investment in energy. Steven Chu, Obama's energy secretary, has already let the cat out of the bag by saying he wants to see pump prices in the U.S. as high as they are in Europe. Last we checked, that was $7 a gallon.
Well, anyway, as far as the adminstration's claims of "308 permits for deep water drilling activities for 94 unique wells in the Gulf of Mexico and; 113 permits for shallow water wells in the Gulf of Mexico," That cat's out of the bag too:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/01 ... t-20110301http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/ ... deepw.htmlI see only a total of 4 permits issued here since the moratorium began.
What is the time frame for these alleged new permits, and what is their relative size in relation to drilling and extraction prior to the moratorium and prior to the Obama presidency, because I can find no substantiation for the huge permit claims, nor whether they are relevant in a practical sense even if true on paper.
I snipped the remaining official state
disinformatzia as the mendacious self serving propaganda it is.
You'll notice a number of popular assertions from Loran's posts, mentioned in the refutation piece above. The simple fact is that Loran's literature is limited to anything those corporate funded think tanks are ordered to put out. Heritage and the like are funded by the Oil industry for a reason.
Well, I'm about done here. As usual, absent critical thinking, logical argument, and anything resembling independent, corroborative evidence, Graham retreats to his favorite lair - conspiracy theory and baseless, feverish well poisoning - in an attempt to paper over the fact that, far from being the serious thinker he claims to be, he continues to look for all the world like nothing as much as an ideological toady.
Loran also does not understand what oil speculation is. He maintains his ignorant by reasserting refuted theories, while presenting them as facts. Never mind the fact that increased US oil production has never led to dropped gasoline prices. For Loran, history doesn't matter. He has this myth so deeply ingrained into his psyche that there is no letting go of it. So he treats all evidence to the contrary the only way he knows how, with contempt.
This is economically impossible, unless other factors, such as taxes, regulation, price controls, or other non-market factors intervened to drive prices higher as supply increased. Increased supply must decrease price in a competitive market with a given demand. Speculation may drive up oil prices to some marginal extent, but showing this to be the case is very problematic, as the oil that all of us buy at the pump is not purchased on world futures markets, but on the spot market, which responds to the laws of supply and demand, not futures speculation. Indeed, the only way futures speculators can really influence the market to any degree is to purchase oil and then hope that by the date the contract expires, that the price really has risen to the point a profit and not loss is possible. That's a risky business. Even worse is having to sell it back on the world market when his inflated speculatory contract expires for below what you bought if for and eating the difference, unless he inventories it and waits for prices to actually rise on the spot market - maybe. But holding onto it in an attempt to drive prices higher can only happen on a very short term basis, and against larger economic dynamics operating outside one's control. Artificial price hikes not justified by demand put the speculator in the position of either storing the oil or selling it back if prices don't actually rise and bring him a profit.
Sure, it can have a marginal effect, but hardly salient overall (as I understand the actual workings of this system, its the supply and demand driven spot market that actually effects the futures markets - and the economic fortunes of the speculators - not the other way around).
I found this essay to be a well explained intro to the subject:
http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/19/oil-fu ... print.htmlAnother excellent piece is here:
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... oil-pricesIn other words, all of this is just more of Graham's adopted
Sesame Street Marxism and pious class war pandering to one of the basest of human characterological weaknesses, class envy.
If we are going to be able to drive down gasoline prices the only way to do that is to reduce our demand, and that is precisely what the Obama administration has been trying to do.
The only way to drive down energy prices, while still maintaining and increasing our standard of living and encouraging economic growth (and hence, job creation), and avoiding noticeable (if not severe) declines in economic well being, is through conformity to the laws of economics, which means ample supplies of oil to consumers and business in dynamic, competitive markets.
Price must fall with greater supply and healthy competition between entrepreneurs in the petroleum business, and much increased domestic supply would not only reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but dampen the effects of the rising demand of China and India on world markets.
Idiots like Loran just parrot the talking points put out by the Oil industry, whose only interest is maintaining the status quo.
Yup, I get my marching orders from Exxon every morning, just like you get yours from Soros.
They want their monopoly on the energy market so they will do whatever it takes to keep it. Lately they've been scaring the older, more ignorant generation like Loran, into thinking regulation of irresponsible oil companies is something akin to Socialism! They demonize regulation of any kind as their only true weapon against Obama's policies.
Its demeaning and self abasing even speaking to this person any longer. I've always said I don't like having my intelligence insulted, and if this is true, then I probably shouldn't provoke the monkeys to through poop from the cage.