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Re: The Policy

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subgenius wrote:... as is being revealed by the ineptitude of this second term.

Your ability to judge ineptitude is amazing. The second term started on Sunday, the day after this comment.
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President Obama has emulated Lenin in striving to increase state control over such “commanding heights” of our economy as energy, health care, finance, and education, with smaller forays into food, transportation

Could we outline some specific policies, please (besides health care)? If there are proposals for incremental increases in existing regulation, calling that Marxist is a gross exaggeration. All those areas have been regulated for a long time.

As for government-run health care, Medicare and Medicaid were created nearly 50 years ago, and the VA long before that. The new requirement that we all have to buy private insurance looks a lot more like corporatism than socialism.
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subgenius wrote:"Although Hong Kong remains number one in the Index rankings, the uniqueness of its commitment to economic freedom has eroded in recent years, and any further implementation of populist policies that empower the bureaucracy or undermine the principle of limited government could threaten its standing in the future." (emphasis mine)
http://www.heritage.org/index/country/hongkong

your point is lost....ouch.

Do you not know what the phrase "could threaten its standing in the future" means in this context, or are you deliberately lying? This is, of course a rhetorical question, I am perfectly aware that you are deliberately lying.
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Re: The Policy

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krose wrote:
subgenius wrote:... as is being revealed by the ineptitude of this second term.

Your ability to judge ineptitude is amazing. The second term started on Sunday, the day after this comment.


its more of a prophecy then...better?

grammar Nazisms aside...the second term agenda is hardly clandestine.

the only thing left for surprise is going to be the exact level of arrogance and audaciousness that he will peak at before lame duck officially lands...obviously sometime after the mid-term elections when his supporters have finally tired of his little Chicago socialist dictator experiment.
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Molok wrote:Do you not know what the phrase "could threaten its standing in the future" means in this context, or are you deliberately lying? This is, of course a rhetorical question, I am perfectly aware that you are deliberately lying.

yep, its pretty simple...but apparently you are struggling with it?

(wait....in this context?? is there another context where it changes meaning?)
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Re: The Policy

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krose wrote:
President Obama has emulated Lenin in striving to increase state control over such “commanding heights” of our economy as energy, health care, finance, and education, with smaller forays into food, transportation

Could we outline some specific policies, please (besides health care)? If there are proposals for incremental increases in existing regulation, calling that Marxist is a gross exaggeration. All those areas have been regulated for a long time.

it seems obvious that the author notes Obama as "emulating" Lenin by striving to increase control....control already being in place is irrelevant. The "increase", and arguably the motivation for that increase, is the point.

krose wrote:As for government-run health care, Medicare and Medicaid were created nearly 50 years ago, and the VA long before that. The new requirement that we all have to buy private insurance looks a lot more like corporatism than socialism.

follow the money....
however, continuing to blur the lines between government and business is not advisable policy in my opinion.
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subgenius wrote:yep, its pretty simple...but apparently you are struggling with it?

(wait....in this context?? is there another context where it changes meaning?)

I'm not struggling with it at all. It's just hilarious that you think what you quoted changes anything about what Gad said. I mean, Hong Kong is still the freest economy in the world, right? Of Course. And what happens if policies force a change in their ranking? Oh my god, do they become the SECOND freest economy the world?
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Molok wrote:
subgenius wrote:yep, its pretty simple...but apparently you are struggling with it?

(wait....in this context?? is there another context where it changes meaning?)

I'm not struggling with it at all. It's just hilarious that you think what you quoted changes anything about what Gad said. I mean, Hong Kong is still the freest economy in the world, right? Of Course. And what happens if policies force a change in their ranking? Oh my god, do they become the SECOND freest economy the world?

point being their decline has been steady and consistent as the government interventions have increased.
most everything Gad posted was ambiguous at best.
The ranking is admirable yet has little to do with the original assertion.
Gad posts nothing about the level of government intrusion in comparison to the US nor has their ranking been attributed to any government intrusion or "increased control". Though returned to China, everyone recognizes that HK is still quite autonomous.

So, them being 1st, 2nd, or 3rd...is irrelevant to the quoted post by Gad.
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Re: The Policy

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subgenius wrote:point being their decline has been steady and consistent as the government interventions have increased.

lol. That's not the point at all. The point is, a heavily authoritarian government chock full of socialist policies that send the conservative right in America into a tizzy is listed as the freest economy in the world, and is in absolutely NO danger of being removed from the list. So you can keep on pretending you've made some kind of point here, but anyone who isn't a knuckle dragging ape can easily see through your little game.
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Re: The Policy

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subgenius wrote:
krose wrote:Could we outline some specific policies, please (besides health care)?

it seems obvious that the author notes Obama as "emulating" Lenin by striving to increase control....control already being in place is irrelevant. The "increase", and arguably the motivation for that increase, is the point.

So... nothing specific then.

But of course Tovarisch Lenin is best known for urging a legislative body to slightly increase a few regulations over industries that were already regulated to some extent by his government. Got it.

subgenius wrote:
krose wrote:As for government-run health care, Medicare and Medicaid were created nearly 50 years ago, and the VA long before that. The new requirement that we all have to buy private insurance looks a lot more like corporatism than socialism.

follow the money....
however, continuing to blur the lines between government and business is not advisable policy in my opinion.

But certainly NOT emulating Lenin in any way.
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