Gun Deaths in America

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Re: Gun Deaths in America

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ldsfaqs wrote:False argument as usual with liberals.....

....B. the 100,000's saved or crimes STOPPED because someone had a gun.


You might consider this:

Arthur Kellerman wrote: More than 20 years ago, I conducted a study of firearm-related deaths in homes in Seattle and surrounding King County, Washington. Over the study's seven-year interval, more than half of all fatal shootings in the county took place in the home where the firearm involved was kept. Just nine of those shootings were legally justifiable homicides or acts of self-defense; guns kept in homes were also involved in 12 accidental deaths, 41 criminal homicides and a shocking 333 suicides. A subsequent study conducted in three U.S. cities found that guns kept in the home were 12 times more likely to be involved in the death or injury of a member of the household than in the killing or wounding of a bad guy in self-defense.
-- Arthur Kellermann, a professor of emergency medicine and public health at Emory University


ldsfaqs wrote:False argument as usual with liberals.....

C. the HUGE jump in violent crimes, rape, robbery, etc., innocent lives MORE shattered BECAUSE OF "gun control".


And your basis for this statement is....
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bcspace wrote:The real question the media keeps avoiding is how many lives do guns save? I'd wager it's far more than guns take.


Home defense failures:

Wife kills husband during home defense training:
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... 49081.html

Home seller shoots the husband of her realtor:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_ ... 481348.php
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Hate to disappoint you, but gun killings have dropped 39% since 1993.
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Kevin Graham wrote:...(snip)...I'd bet that the number of unintentional gun-related deaths far outnumber the instances where someone is saved with a gun.

i bet the police and army would take that bet
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subgenius wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:...(snip)...I'd bet that the number of unintentional gun-related deaths far outnumber the instances where someone is saved with a gun.

i bet the police and army would take that bet


Not only that, but the MILLIONS murdered in just the last 100 years in genocides and similar because they were not even ALLOWED to defend themselves when most would have, is completely ignored. That's not to mention the number of "individuals" in the world who as "habit" AND "force of law" don't carry guns but end up VICTIMS of violence and murder.

Kevin, "Gun Control" has done it's job well in murdering the innocent. Great job.

If more people were even allowed to carry or did carry when allowed, there would be far less victims. Your "bet" is essentially meaningless, because if people did have guns, there WOULD be far more "saved" compared to gun death by whatever means. Also, don't forget reported gun deaths count ALL gun deaths, not just murders. They count self defense uses in most cases, so the stats are off.
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bcspace wrote:Hate to disappoint you, but gun killings have dropped 39% since 1993.


Hate to disappoint you, but more people are being shot; fortunately more are being saved due to advances in trauma care:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 77812.html
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Bond James Bond wrote:
bcspace wrote:Hate to disappoint you, but gun killings have dropped 39% since 1993.


Hate to disappoint you, but more people are being shot; fortunately more are being saved due to advances in trauma care:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 77812.html

oops...awkward
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nati ... 2693.story

"Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes, two new studies of government data show.

Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the Pew Research Center."


http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/ ... c-unaware/
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Interesting to compare the graphs with the period when the Assault Weapons Ban was law (1994-2004).

Nice example, sub, on how gun violence can correlate with the right types of gun control laws. Many thanks!
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I wonder what the chart would look like if they included the races of the shooter and victim as data points.
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honorentheos wrote:Interesting to compare the graphs with the period when the Assault Weapons Ban was law (1994-2004).

Nice example, sub, on how gun violence can correlate with the right types of gun control laws. Many thanks!

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