Neighborhood Watch Heros

[_Bazooka]

It's now called "gun safety"....

Check out my "Language" thread. :)

ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

I guess Zimmerman forgot his training...that, or he had determined in advance he was going to use it.

[_subgenius]

*heroes

spelling - 1, see me after class

[_ldsfaqs]

*heroes

spelling - 1, see me after class

I thought I was the only one who couldn't spell, because I was Mormon and Conservative?

[_Analytics]

Nothing like more liberal lying..... Using a little truth to lie.

1. The two cases are clearly nothing alike.

That is a Conservative LIE! The two cases are very similar:

a- Both entail armed and dangerous trigger-happy neighborhood watchmen
b- Both entailed a gun-nut taking his gun into a stressful situation and then making bad decisions

Thus you LIE. LIAR!

2. The case you report was clearly a case of attempted murder, having ZERO to do with actual self defense. The guy with the daughter came out with his gun already out and simply shot the guy, according to the witness with the guy shot.

LIAR! According to Campos, the bad guy he was chasing had a gun. If a bad guy points a gun at you, Right-minded gun-carrying Republicans know that in order to defend yourself, you should shoot him!

Of course Campos had two things going against him:

a- he didn't kill they guy he shot. If he would have done so, there would be one fewer witness to challenge his side of the story.

b- the guy he shot was white.

Thus your argument is a straw man.

Zimmerman wasn't confronting Trayvon, he was trying to keep and eye on him and report to the police his location. Zimmerman didn't have his gun out trying to intimidate a supposed bad guy. Zimmerman also didn't shoot the supposed bad guy UNTIL he was well into being beat to death (which made him a bad guy for sure then).

Thus, you comparing a CLEAR case of self defense, to a case of willful murder shows clearly your lack of intelligence and judgment skills. But, what is new with you liberals. The devil is your buddy.

LIAR! The devil is a member of the NRA. Thus YOU are the liar-buddy of the devil. And your argument is a straw man. LIAR!

[_ldsfaqs]

So-called Analytics....

Did you somehow miss the fact that the guy shot had a WITNESS with him who saw the whole thing, and verified the guy's story, and NOT Campos's story, which is part of why Campos was charged with murder???

Campos sadly is the one lying. He was emotional and did something very bad, and he should pay for it.

[_Analytics]

So-called Analytics....

Did you somehow miss the fact that the guy shot had a WITNESS with him who saw the whole thing, and verified the guy's story, and NOT Campos's story, which is part of why Campos was charged with murder???

Campos sadly is the one lying. He was emotional and did something very bad, and he should pay for it.

Campos was charged with attempted murder. If he would have actually killed the witnesses the way Zimmerman did, there would be no testimonies to conflict with his and you'd probably take his side.

In any case, my actual point is that Campos and Zimmerman have several things in common:

1- They both feel a responsibility to go out and make sure the bad guys don't get away
2- They both felt the need to carry guns as they do so
3- They both pulled the trigger in situations where well-trained cops would not have
4- They are both much bigger dangers to their own neighborhoods than the bad guys they are after

[_ldsfaqs]

You're wrong on several accounts, and you misrepresent the facts still.....

Campos clearly crossed the line, Zimmerman did not. Zimmerman did everything right within reasonableness at each point. Campos did almost nothing right at each point.

There is thus ZERO comparison, other than as I said an interest in "caring" about his community.

[_Albion]

Presumably, he was just a regular citizen with a gun until he broke the law and used it but now he is likley added to the statistic that only criminals kill people with guns.

[_Analytics]

You're wrong on several accounts, and you misrepresent the facts still.....

Campos clearly crossed the line, Zimmerman did not. Zimmerman did everything right within reasonableness at each point. Campos did almost nothing right at each point.

There is thus ZERO comparison, other than as I said an interest in "caring" about his community.

Right. Despite the list of similarities, there is zero comparison. I see your point. Let's go over it.

If you are Zimmerman and see a guy who is suspicious because he is a black pedestrian at night, the right thing to do at that point is grab your gun and follow him. In contrast, if you are Campos and a suspicious guy is stalking your daughter, you don't grab your gun and don't follow him.

If you are Zimmerman and the scrawny kid you've been harassing stands his ground and hits you, the right thing to do is take out your gun and shoot him--after all, you have the moral obligation to kill the would-be unarmed murderer. In contrast, if you are Campos and the creep who was following around your daughter takes out a gun, don't shoot him. After all, why would anybody feel they (or their daughter) were in danger just because a creepy stalker takes out his gun and points it at you?

Zimmerman clearly did the right thing by killing the guy he shot--after all, it's a lot easier to get away with it if nobody has to hear the victim's side of the story. In contrast, Campo seriously screwed up when he merely put a bullet through his victim's spinal column--his defense was seriously compromised by allowing the victim to live and tell about it.

Most importantly, Zimmerman killed a black guy, while Campo tried to kill a white guy. Huge mistake on Campo's part: it's a lot harder to blame the victim when the victim is white.

Got it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Right. Despite the list of similarities, there is zero comparison. I see your point. Let's go over it.

If you are Zimmerman who as a result of his neighborhood watch efforts got a thief caught and arrested and see a guy who is suspicious because he is a black pedestrian at night who happened to be caught with burglary tools and stolen valuables located in his school locker, the right thing to do at that point is grab your gun because there had recently been a home invasion in his neighborhood where a woman was assaulted by two black men and follow him because you have a C&C permit and you additionally call the police on the non-emergency who then tells you twice to keep an eye on him. In contrast, if you are Campos and a suspicious guy is stalking your daughter, you don't grab your gun and don't follow him.

If you are Zimmerman and the scrawny kid who was probably a Lean user and as a result is hostile and paranoid you've been harassing by simply following him stands his ground and hits you, ie, instead of going home you wait for GZ and jump him using MMA training you received, the right thing to do is take out your gun and shoot him--after all, you have the moral obligation to kill the would-be unarmed murderer. In contrast, if you are Campos and the creep who was following around your daughter takes out a gun, don't shoot him. After all, why would anybody feel they (or their daughter) were in danger just because a creepy stalker takes out his gun and points it at you?

Zimmerman clearly did the right thing by killing the guy he shot, who was on top of him pounding away MMA-style--after all, it's a lot easier to get away with it if nobody has to hear the victim's side of the story. In contrast, Campo seriously screwed up when he merely put a bullet through his victim's spinal column--his defense was seriously compromised by allowing the victim to live and tell about it.

Most importantly, Zimmerman killed a black guy, which probably killed him since he was raised alongside two black kids, took a black girl to prom, got a white cop's kid charged with beating a black homeless person, and was well-regarded by his black neighbors in his mix-race neighborhood, while Campo tried to kill a white guy. Huge mistake on Campo's part: it's a lot harder to blame the victim when the victim is white.

Got it.

You know... Selective omission of facts to simply bolster your politically-motivated case is as bad as outright lying. I can see why Mr. Faqs is accusing the Leftists on this board of lying. I'm not going to go that far, but when you choose to be blind to reality it's very disturbing.

- Doc