Sex Before Marriage

[_EAllusion]

This is a load of nonsense. We can't tell if it's more or less consensual based on how pretty the teachers are. It also leads to age, racial, and gender discrimination in people's judgments insofar as older people, minorities, and men are on average perceived by a white male audience as less attractive and therefore more culpable.

Attractive people tend to get more lenient sentences then peopled viewed less attractive.

I know. But that's not a good thing.

[_Xenophon]

DT seems to get all of that, yet persists on bringing it up every time he gets a chance. I think he's got to reconcile with that and account for why he keeps doing it.

This is the part I really don't get. DT seems like a reasonable kind of guy and e says the words like he gets it but still exhibits the behavior so I'm just kind of curious as to his WHY.

[Guest]

Do you think that if these women were ugly (by your standards because you don't know how the [ guy] views this) that it would somehow change the "consent factor" from these boys?

Xenophon,

Attractiveness is not a "consent factor". Consent by definition is "permission for something to happen or agreement to do something." I say beautiful or attractive just to make it sound more emotional because in my view it is ridiculous that 20 year old girls get arrested for having consensual sex with 16 or 17 year olds. I explain why below.

This is a load of nonsense. We can't tell if it's more or less consensual based on how pretty the teachers are.

Agree. I didn't say the contrary.

I think a teacher-student relationship is inherently fraught with coercion and claiming a sexual relationship between a 24 year old teacher and a student near the statutory age of consent as consensual is consequently questionable

Coercion or manipulation is something else and should be punished with a least some prison. However, it is the male students that make the first move, not the teachers. Psychology Today article says, "vast majority of adult-child sexual liaisons are consensual. In some, the under-age girls are the initiators and pursuers. And sometimes the men wind up in prison". I think it is highly likely that male students are the initiators. Young men only care about sex, and it makes sense in evolutionary biology.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/al ... enough-sex

Again, I don't think those penalties need be 10-15 years in prison, but I also don't think it is a given that this should be an entirely civil matter.

But please remember that being in the sex offender list is like being in prison, especially if you don't have someone to help you. I can imagine being on sex offender list is like Hell on Earth.

The idea that 16 or 17 year olds can't consent to sex isn't back up by biological evidence, but I understand the law is the law in your state. It is funny states don't agree with each other on what the legal age of consent should be.

A University of Minnesota book Harmful to Minors (endorsed by pediatrician) argues "America’s attempts to protect children from sex are worse than ineffectual." https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-divisio ... -to-minors

Please note I haven't read the book.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Nobody does prisons like the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Unbelievable, the US is worst than China and Russia. It is also unbelievable that most people are so blind about this problem.

I hate the 21st century. I wish I would have been born 200 years from now, humanity sucks.

[_Themis]

Unbelievable, the US is worst than China and Russia. It is also unbelievable that most people are so blind about this significant problem.

I hate the 21st century. I wish I would have been born 200 years from now, humanity sucks.

While things may not be perfect, they are better for most then in the past, and you can work to make them better. There lots in life you can enjoy here and now.

[_DoubtingThomas]

While things may not be perfect, they are better for most then in the past, and you can work to make them better

Which makes me assume the distant future is going to be heaven. I can only hope A.I. is created in my lifetime to solve our world problems. We desperately need A.I..

[_The CCC]

Given the sad history and proclivities of mortal humans. The best that can reasonably expected is that 200 years from now they will just have different problems to deal with.

[_MeDotOrg]

If you and your partner are having sex before you are 18, one of you could end up doing something illegal, unless you have the same birthday.

Call me old fashioned, but if you aren't old enough to drive a car and vote you are probably not ready to start having children.

[Guest]

Call me old fashioned, but if you aren't old enough to drive a car and vote you are probably not ready to start having children.

I agree the underage marriage thing is wrong, but in most states you can legally drive a car at 16. Many parents teach their children to drive as young as 14 or 15, I know many who started driving at 15. I don't think the car driving comparison is a good one.

That being said it is not wise to have children at 18, and I think 18 year olds shouldn't be permitted to drive, many 18 year olds drive dangerously.

[Guest]

If you and your partner are having sex before you are 18, one of you could end up doing something illegal, unless you have the same birthday.

You know when I was 16 I was dating a 13 year old convert. I baptized her. Thank goodness we(both of us) were good Mormons and never had sex. I did fear sin. Had we not been good Mormons I probably would have been arrested and been added on the sex offender list for the rest of my life.

I didn't date a lot of girls because it was something I struggled with, but thank goodness I was a god-fearing Mormon with the girls I did dated when I was a young teenager.