Trump's War on the Poor/Minorities continues

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I just want to point out this isn't Kevin Graham's post, but a copy and paste from the linked article. It's poor form to pass off other people's work as your own. If only there were a way to distinguish your words from a sneakily linked article. If only there were a quote feature...

Anyway. Dick move, man.

The title is clearly a link to an article. He wasn't passing it off as his own.

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Oh. Well. crap, man. Please offer up a solution that gets people to, you know, not break the law.

- Doc

The solutions are piecemeal. Some of the things in question shouldn't be against the law at all. For others the penalty far exceeds the harm it is attempting to prevent and should be reduced. Still others should be solved by prorating or giving people a chance to offer recompense in the form of community service.

The government should have less pressure to fund itself through fines by 1) ensuring services are primarily paid through progressive tax regimes and 2) not allowing police, prosecutors, or judges to receive direct financial benefit from ensuring people receive financial penalties.

If you are looking for solutions, the Obama DoJ was offering them, which Jeff Sessions just recently put a stop to, which is what this thread is about.

Here's a story that comes to mind that might bother you as frugal-vegetable man:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/garde ... lawns.html

A couple in Orlando was faced being fined $500 a day for transforming their front lawn into a vegetable garden. This should not have been a fineable offense at all, and the fine is disturbingly excessive even allowing some form of penalty. After battling this for some time, they eventually won. They won because they were able to muster the kind of resources that people less connected never would.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I just want to point out this isn't Kevin Graham's post, but a copy and paste from the linked article. It's poor form to pass off other people's work as your own. If only there were a way to distinguish your words from a sneakily linked article. If only there were a quote feature...

Anyway. Dick move, man.

The title is clearly a link to an article. He wasn't passing it off as his own.

If only there were a quote feature when something is being quoted... What he did was a sneaky way of passing it off as his own unless someone clicked on the link they wouldn't know the words weren't his own.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Oh. Well. ____, man. Please offer up a solution that gets people to, you know, not break the law.

- Doc

EA then proceeds to not offer any personal solutions to get people from breaking the law. Passively-aggressively insults petitioner. Punts thinking to Obama.

I mean. I should know better than to ask you to do some original thinking, but hey, one can only hope!

- Doc

[_Maxine Waters]

I think prorating fines and prohibiting jail time for those that don't pay would simply mean you can't enforce things like illegally parking, speeding, driving drunk, or without insurance. They do this unofficially already in poor cities like Memphis and it's a pretty lawless place.

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Oh. Well. ____, man. Please offer up a solution that gets people to, you know, not break the law.

- Doc

EA then proceeds to not offer any personal solutions to get people from breaking the law. Passively-aggressively insults petitioner. Punts thinking to Obama.

I mean. I should know better than to ask you to do some original thinking, but hey, one can only hope!

- Doc

I made multiple suggestions and referred to others already in a linked article. You are effective at not making it clear where the trolling begins and where the genuine hackiness ends, so there's that. Unfortunately, that's not a compliment.

Please solve this complex socioeconomic problem, but only do so referring to ideas no one has ever come up with before.

Yeah, sure. That's a hoop that makes sense to jump through.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

EA,

How about you offer an original thought instead of, I dunno, parroting other idealogues? Or, at least offer up something personalized rather than your usual pastiche of Leftist talking points?

Like. I get it. You want to cut poor people a break, and... What? They don't pay fines? They get to jaywalk without risk of being cited because black people were enslaved? Like, where in the ever living “F” are going with your points? At least Majax is up front about his racism. He has a political goal he's willing to commit to. Personally it'd be refreshing for you to own up to your gulag-like Liberalism.

Anyway. You don't really say anything except to be a contrarian, and when someone like myself, in fact, I think I'm the only one who's ever actually asked you your personal opinion on any matter rather than go into a coma trying to make sense of your totally-not-Socialist solution of taking money from 'here' and giving it to people over 'there' muddle of virtue signalling unoriginalities.

But, hey. One can only ask! Doesn't mean you have to deliver a thought of your own.

- Doc

[Guest]

Officer: Can you afford to pay this parking ticket?
Indigent: No I can't. I spent everything I own on these rims and stereo system.
Officer: ok you can go. Might as well continue parking in the handicap space and blasting your rap music at 3am since there is clearly nothing we can do about it.

Don't like a top speed of 80mph that working people are still forced to observe under penalty of law, then make the exit ramp your passing lane and go around on the right at 110mph. If you kill a few people who can't turn there head 360 degrees to see you, your car insurance won't go up one cent since you never purchased it anyway. Isn't that what other people should pay uninsured motorist insurance for?

Actually people with nothing to lose and nothing to take have been bending the law in their favor for a long time now.

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EA,

How about you offer an original thought instead of, I dunno, parroting other idealogues? Or, at least offer up something personalized rather than your usual pastiche of Leftist talking points?

Like. I get it. You want to cut poor people a break, and... What? They don't pay fines? They get to jaywalk without risk of being cited because black people were enslaved? Like, where in the ever living “F” are going with your points? At least Majax is up front about his racism. He has a political goal he's willing to commit to. Personally it'd be refreshing for you to own up to your gulag-like Liberalism.

Anyway. You don't really say anything except to be a contrarian, and when someone like myself, in fact, I think I'm the only one who's ever actually asked you your personal opinion on any matter rather than go into a coma trying to make sense of your totally-not-Socialist solution of taking money from 'here' and giving it to people over 'there' muddle of virtue signalling unoriginalities.

But, hey. One can only ask! Doesn't mean you have to deliver a thought of your own.

- Doc

I offered several actual solutions that you by turns either ignored and said I didn't offer or criticized for not being original enough. As if the quality of a policy response depends on a person coming up with it in a vacuum. You did this even though one of my suggestions was agreeing with one of your suggestions that you didn't come up with yourself. My position and familiarity with this issue is driven heavily by libertarian sources like the Institute for Justice and writers like Radley Balko. Calling that "leftist" is deeply ignorant. Because only socialists think it's screwed up to fine poor people exorbitant sums of money for petty offenses and imprison them when they can't pay so police officers can get extra overtime income. The only alternative to a Dickensian hellscape is hardcore leftism.

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Officer: Can you afford to pay this parking ticket?
Indigent: No I can't. I spent everything I own on these rims and stereo system.
Officer: ok you can go. Might as well continue parking in the handicap space and blasting your rap music at 3am since there is clearly nothing we can do about it.

Should've found a way to work fried chicken and watermelon into this realistic approach to the issue.

When you prorate fines, you still have a minimum amount that needs to be paid. If people do not pay those, you can divert them from prison and loss of livelihood as a front-line response.