Trump congratulates Putin, despite being warned NOT to

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Re: Trump congratulates Putin, despite being warned NOT to

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Bach wrote:
MeDotOrg wrote:One of the damages the Trump administration's cavalier attitude towards previous agreements is doing to the United States is that countries are increasingly seeing the United States as an unreliable partner, whose policies can flipped on the whims of the President. This points to one of Trump's greatest weaknesses: He lives in the transactional now. He will say whatever it takes to win the moment, without thinking of the long term consequences.

There is so much ignorance, binder vision and naïveness in this statement one wonders where to start. I certainly don't have the posting time as everyone else here but ——. One might want to start with where Obama policy took us w allies and partners arounnd the world. Putin and the Ayaltolla played Obama like a fiddle. All world leaders knew he was a pussy and lacked any real world experience. And all world leaders saw his courage and resolve when he drew the “infamous chemical weapon red line in Syria”. But he made up for it with billions in cash to Iran!!

Please get an education (as I doubt you have any experience) in understanding the concept of dealing from strength (including fear) as opposed to “bowing for friendship” as our former “no balls” prez was very pathetically successful in doing.

The defense starts with a 'whataboutism' about Obama? We're discussing Trump riffing American foreign policy on the fly. I repeat: his weakness is his need to win in the transactional now.

"Billions of cash to Iran"? I assume means the unfreezing of Iranian assets? Perhaps you could help me with a little more information.

I would also point out that Trump's foreign policy towards Russia shows a distinct lack of what you might refer to as testicularity. And with reference to Obama's line in the sand, I agree. Obama put it out there without backing it up with consequences. That damaged American credibility.

On March 18th The Washington Post wrote:The Trump administration maintains that it won’t tolerate chemical weapons attacks by Bashar al-Assad’s regime and its partners in Syria, despite reported widespread use of chlorine gas, along with credible reports of the nerve agent sarin. But there’s no real plan to stop these war crimes, and America’s credibility is on the line.

As the Syrian war enters its eighth year, national security adviser H.R. McMaster called Thursday for punishing Moscow and Tehran for their part in ongoing atrocities in Syria. Such actions, he suggested, should have serious political and economic consequences.

“All civilized nations must hold Iran and Russia accountable for their role in enabling atrocities and perpetuating human suffering in Syria,” McMaster said at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. “Assad should not have impunity for his crimes, and neither should his sponsors,” he continued.


Trump bombed in the early part of his Presidency. H.R. McMaster just resigned, to be replaced by John Bolton. It feels like Trump is building a funeral pyre.
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MeDotOrg wrote:Trump bombed in the early part of his Presidency. H.R. McMaster just resigned, to be replaced by John Bolton. It feels like Trump is building a funeral pyre.

Oh god damn it. I just saw this. Bolton is a lunatic. The world just got less safe.
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Bach wrote:What did Putin have on Obama to induce his congratulatory call in 2012?

Trump had received a lot of Russian rubles to launder with his golf course and real estate businesses. Best to suck up to Putin to stay in good stead with the Russian Oligarchs and to receive Russian help with his future political ambitions.
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moksha wrote:
Bach wrote:What did Putin have on Obama to induce his congratulatory call in 2012?

Trump had received a lot of Russian rubles to launder with his golf course and real estate businesses. Best to suck up to Putin to stay in good stead with the Russian Oligarchs and to receive Russian help with his future political ambitions.

What future political ambition can one have when one has already been President?
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Dr. Shades wrote:What future political ambition can one have when one has already been President?

A second term? It should be obvious by now that Trump is entirely owned by the Russians.
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Hawkeye wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:What future political ambition can one have when one has already been President?

A second term? It should be obvious by now that Trump is entirely owned by the Russians.

Excuse me again to point out, AGAIN, the utter ignorance, naiveness and stupidity of liberal thinking:

Obama is the only President asking a Russians official to support his re-election bid to the presidency. And we have it on tape:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

Question for Hawkeye:

How much substance abuse does one need to suffer from before they become hawkless on the ability to think and their knowledge of recent presidential history w Russia?

Man, you really stepped in it this time.
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Bach wrote:Excuse me again to point out, AGAIN, the utter ignorance, naiveness and stupidity of liberal thinking:

Obama is the only President asking a Russians official to support his re-election bid to the presidency. And we have it on tape:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

Wow, so what you are saying is that you are actually stupid enough to make a bogus claim and then attempt to back it up with a bogus reference and then pretend your audience is as dumb as your typical Breitbart crowd.

Trump is the only President in history who relies directly on Russian money because American banks refuse to do business with him after all his defaults.

Trump is the only President to request, publicly no less, that Russia intervene on his behalf during his campaign.

Trump is the only President whose campaign got caught red handed attempting to collude with Russia during the campaign.

But in your little world, none of this matters because Trump is white.

Obama on the other hand...Every little detail caught on tape, with or without context, must be twisted and interpreted in the most malicious manner possible to support the mantra of your tinfoil hat wearing cult. It sucks being stupid huh.
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Dr. Shades wrote:What future political ambition can one have when one has already been President?

Bach was talking about Trump's congratulatory call to Putin in 2012. That was before his eventual election in 2016 where Trump did indeed receive substantial Russian help.

However, in Trump's case, his ambitions might include being named the most beloved and awesome being in the universe.
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moksha wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:What future political ambition can one have when one has already been President?

Bach was talking about Trump's congratulatory call to Putin in 2012. That was before his eventual election in 2016 where Trump did indeed receive substantial Russian help.

However, in Trump's case, his ambitions might include being named the most beloved and awesome being in the universe.


No. Bach was talking about Obama’s congradulatory call to Putin in 2012. (Please read w better comprehension).

So, again, what induced Obama to call Putin?
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Bach wrote:So, again, what induced Obama to call Putin?

Perhaps Obama had a sense of gratefulness to the Russian President for allowing his banks to pour money into Obama's golf course ventures when no one else would, or perhaps buying condos at Obama Towers for even more than the asking price.

Maybe it was the tape of Obama performing the Nutcracker with female members of the Bolshoi on a certain mattress at the Moscow Ritz-Carlton.
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