Xenophon wrote:Thanks for the some context, Lemmie. I don't really see how that shows ajax that anyone is accusing Ramos of racism (I know, probably my fault for expecting logic).
I had to go back and read Ajax's comments to see what you meant, but you are absolutely correct. The racism I pointed out had to do with the Australian cartoon, only. I haven't seen anyone, in all of the coverage I have read, accuse the chair judge Ramos of being racist. Ajax has that wrong.
I haven't seen anyone, in all of the coverage I have read, accuse the chair judge Ramos of being racist. Ajax has that wrong.
Serena's only charge was sexism (which I hope we can all see was bogus). Some of the media people questioned in the immediate articles that followed if Serena was penalized because she was a woman of color. If there were sexism, wouldn't it still have been the same for both players? It's an all female league. Incidentally Osaka is part black too. So how different is the racism element for each player?
It's got me wondering. Serena claims to be a Jehovah's witness now. Shouldn't she have been disfellowshiped for getting pregnant before getting married?
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And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Note that Carlos Ramos and William's opponent are portrayed as white in knights cartoon. Naomi is portrayed as a slim small, white woman, with a blonde ponytail. In reality she is two inches taller than Serena, her father is Haitian and her mother Japanese, and she does not have a blonde ponytail.
Naomi does dye her hair but yeah, she's blacker than the picture portrays. I still don't see how the picture can be labeled as "racist." It's derogatory but aren't most celebrity cartoons? I guess it comes down to the fact that you are allowed to draw derogatory cartoons of white people but not of black people because that's racist.
Maybe Aussieguy can chime in since his people drew the cartoon.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Ajax, the level of racism in that cartoon is like something out of an 1870's deep south Democrat poster. Not only is Williams drawn as a borderline Sambo stereoype minus the bone, Osaka is reimagined as a blonde, white woman with a flowing ponytail. This creates a deliberate racial contrast between the intemperate, childish black woman and the polite, diminutive white woman. Which is crazy because that's not Osaka at all.
If you can't recognize this level of overt, in your face racism, there's something wrong with you. Like the odds that you have dressed up in blackface for Halloween and wondered what the problem is have just shot up.
I don't watch enough tennis to know if men aren't treated the same way but I do listen to sports shows and I've heard several talk about this, some which hosted male tennis players and from what I can tell they all agree with her.
I understand the sexism argument is that women have a shorter leash for lashing out because they are expected to be the nicer sex. I don't know if that's actually true, though. But if it was true, that would be sexism.
I found the article I read last night, that I thought captured the racial issues very well:
Why is Serena, one of the most gorgeous, athletic women in the world displayed as a hulking mass throwing a tantrum? Why are her features so over-exaggerated, with the huge reddened lips taking me back to a darker time in our history when black face and the mischaracterization of black features was the norm?
These are all, of course, rhetorical questions.
You and I know exactly why Knight chose to depict Serena like that. She’s a Black woman, a Black woman who stood up for herself in the face of injustice after being unjustly penalized in a way that a white, male tennis player never would have been.
The misogyny is real and in case you thought it wasn’t one only has to explore the drawing further.
Why is Naomi Osaka, someone who is Haitian-Japanese, with decidedly darker skin, depicted as a small, delicate, white-passing blonde figure? Why is Carlos Ramos, the umpire who caused this whole, mess between these two black women, stealing the shine from Osaka’s first U.S. Open win, also depicted as white-passing?
Kevin Graham wrote:I don't watch enough tennis to know if men aren't treated the same way but I do listen to sports shows and I've heard several talk about this, some which hosted male tennis players and from what I can tell they all agree with her.
Oh yeah Roddick Fish, and Blake probably agree with her. Roddick is a real prick in real life as well and dished out a fair amount of abuse to chair umpires. But again, all of these guys are retired now. And I've yet to see any of them be stupid enough to keep behaving this way when you know your next code of conduct will cost you games. It makes me think Serena knew she was going to lose and wanted an excuse. Most of the tennis world outside of the elites see this for what it was, playing the gender card.
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And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
For what it is worth, my intuition is that we all know sexism is rife in tennis, so the final penalty could’ve been informed by gender bias, but probably wasn’t. The result is a person likely getting thrown under the bus because doing so serves the cause of tackling what people know exists. But I don’t have confidence in that take, so my real answer is a shrug of the shoulders.
I had to go back and read Ajax's comments to see what you meant, but you are absolutely correct. The racism I pointed out had to do with the Australian cartoon, only. I haven't seen anyone, in all of the coverage I have read, accuse the chair judge Ramos of being racist. Ajax has that wrong.