ps- I should add that I don't support any sort of pledge of allegiance because I find it cult-like, shaming for those who don't want to participate, and weird. I don't know what to really do with that other than not participate.
Aren't you a military man? How did you get by with not reciting it in the military?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ps- I should add that I don't support any sort of pledge of allegiance because I find it cult-like, shaming for those who don't want to participate, and weird. I don't know what to really do with that other than not participate.
Aren't you a military man? How did you get by with not reciting it in the military?
I can't speak for Doc, but I do not recall reciting the pledge as a soldier. There are times we saluted the colors and one takes an oath to support and defend the Constitution when joining or reupping. I guess the pledge is a civilian thing.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
ps- I should add that I don't support any sort of pledge of allegiance because I find it cult-like, shaming for those who don't want to participate, and weird. I don't know what to really do with that other than not participate.
Aren't you a military man? How did you get by with not reciting it in the military?
Well, when you're in the military it's a rule you must salute the flag if in uniform. I just find it bizarre we *more or less* require it from the civilian population. Americans like to think ourselves as a bit edgy when it comes to the government telling us what to do, so I find it interesting so many are so willing to stand en masse, put their hands over their hearts, and pledge an allegiance to a flag. It feels like a compliance test to me. That's all, really.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:...It feels like a compliance test to me. That's all, really.
- Doc
Doesn't unification require compliance to some degree? And within a unified, dare I say united, society is this degree not required to be exhibited/witnessed among its members.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:...It feels like a compliance test to me. That's all, really.
- Doc
Doesn't unification require compliance to some degree? And within a unified, dare I say united, society is this degree not required to be exhibited/witnessed among its members.
Maybe. There are plenty of countries where their government and borders are sacrosanct and they don't conduct allegiance rituals to a flag.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: Maybe. There are plenty of countries where their government and borders are sacrosanct and they don't conduct allegiance rituals to a flag.
- Doc
True that a ritual to a flag is not a requirement - but a ritual of sorts exists nonetheless - being sacrosanct requires overt acts of compliance. Point being, a public display of fidelity and "membership" is, arguably, a necessary foundation for the genesis and continuance of any clan, society, or citizenry.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: Maybe. There are plenty of countries where their government and borders are sacrosanct and they don't conduct allegiance rituals to a flag.
- Doc
True that a ritual to a flag is not a requirement - but a ritual of sorts exists nonetheless - being sacrosanct requires overt acts of compliance. Point being, a public display of fidelity and "membership" is, arguably, a necessary foundation for the genesis and continuance of any clan, society, or citizenry.
I think it's a really effective way to inculcate national identity. I'm not really sure why it bothers me, To be honest. I did it in school. I was an Eagle Scout. Military retiree. SERE school. All that business. So, who knows...
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Well, when you're in the military it's a rule you must salute the flag if in uniform. I just find it bizarre we *more or less* require it from the civilian population.
I think everyone should have to fight to defend or even enlarge America's borders if necessary. It should be a responsibility of all citizens who are given the right to vote.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:I think everyone should have to fight to defend or even enlarge America's borders if necessary. It should be a responsibility of all citizens who are given the right to vote.
Enlarge our boarders? What, make them wider? You want the boarders to be some kind of no-man's-land?
Are you a hermit, ajax? If not, why do you live among other people? Do you secretly wish everyone was a white male Rapublican?
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Well, when you're in the military it's a rule you must salute the flag if in uniform. I just find it bizarre we *more or less* require it from the civilian population.
I think everyone should have to fight to defend or even enlarge America's borders if necessary. It should be a responsibility of all citizens who are given the right to vote.
Let's see .. have we heard this before anywhere?
Wider still and wider, shall thy bounds be set! God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet!
The semi-ironic patriotic fervour starts at 2:30 if you like that kind of thing ...
But I really don't recommend it. Saying that kind of thing out loud as if you meant it tends to make other countries feel nervous ... reasonably enough.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
