ajax18 wrote:If Islam isn't a Church, how do you convert to Islam? Who and what are you following? Is it just a personal interpretation of the Koran? Does Islam have any hierarchy or modern doctrine?
How did you do on the SAT?
Catholicism is to Christianity as _______ is to Islam.
I'd say the closest thing that approximates that is the Saudis if you're willing to go back to a time when the Catholic church was a total system.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Catholicism is to Christianity as _______ is to Islam.
I'd say the closest thing that approximates that is the Saudis if you're willing to go back to a time when the Catholic church was a total system.
- Doc
I was thinking more along the lines of Sunni, since they represent the largest Islamic denomination but you might have to get more granular for the analogy to hold up better (given the very loose hierarchy within Sunnism). My post was more genrally trying to get ajax to think of Islam as a broad religious teaching in the vein of Christianity or Judaism with actual smaller governing "church" bodies making up that larger community.
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
Actually, Sinead O'Conner is wrong. I saw a post a while ago about how there is evidence in the scriptures of the one true church, and if you follow all the clues, it leads to Mormonism.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Maksutov wrote:She's a nut, sort of like the Martha Nibley Beck of music.
Why do you hate women?
;)
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Catholics are led by the pope. Mormons are led by the prophet. It's hard to nail either one down on official doctrine but they do have a sovereign who ultimately decides how the scripture should be interpreted and they regulate who can be members.
Is Islam more like protestants in that they all believe in the Bible but actual interpretation of the scriptures can vary from church to church and preacher to preacher?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:Catholics are led by the pope. Mormons are led by the prophet. It's hard to nail either one down on official doctrine but they do have a sovereign who ultimately decides how the scripture should be interpreted and they regulate who can be members.
Is Islam more like protestants in that they all believe in the Bible but actual interpretation of the scriptures can vary from church to church and preacher to preacher?
I think that's closer, Ajax. Islam has two main sects: Shia and Sunni. There are others, and also all kinds of subgroups within the main sects. There is no overall Islamic leader that is the equivalent of the Pope or the LDS prophet.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Catholicism is to Christianity as _______ is to Islam.
Not helpful. I genuinely don't know much about Islam, doctrine, governing authorities, etc. Just curious.
I just don't quite understand how people so offended by sexism they see in Mormonism can be so tolerant, accepting, even joining up with Islam? Is it just a case of rooting for the political underdog?
I think the reasons are so varied that you'd have to ask the specific individual. Most people are complicated, and aren't as one-dimensional as labels like "feminist" seem to imply.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
ajax18 wrote:I don't fully comprehend the love affair between the left and Islam.
There is no love affair. The left has some of the same feelings as the right but less extreme. Most Muslims would have naturally endorsed the Republicans in the US if republicans had not been so overt in their hatred and opposition to them. They both have a lot more similar beliefs about the world that most on the left do not share.
ajax18 wrote:I don't fully comprehend the love affair between the left and Islam.
There is no love affair. The left has some of the same feelings as the right but less extreme. Most Muslims would have naturally endorsed the Republicans in the US if republicans had not been so overt in their hatred and opposition to them. They both have a lot more similar beliefs about the world that most on the left do not share.
I'm on the left, and have no love affair with Islam. I do have a love affair with the first amendment, and so do not believe that the government should discriminate on the basis of religion. I'm more than happy to let y'all practice your different flavors of religion, as long as you keep it out of the government.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
