Chap wrote:You can, if you like, believe that the fact that Obama is black had nothing to do with the hate-filled vigor with which the 'birther' allegations were propagated. You can even believe that Trump (who Cohen has revealed to be privately, shall we say, impolite about black people) was not in any way motivated by a sense that a black president was, ipso facto, undesirable. In fact I'm pretty sure you will ...
subs would not even be able to intelligently explain or substantiate his own birther conspiracy beliefs, which may speak to the true root of his assertion.
And this is coming from the fellow who demands such high levels of evidence from everyone else, and will reject any given anyway, if it won’t align with his predetermined opinion.
I was never embarrassed to call Obama my President, despite never voting for him. Regardless of his policies, he was a class act and a great representative for America and its values. However, I AM embarrassed by the way he is (and continues to be) treated by a very vocal minority. These people do not represent American values.
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I was so proud of my country when we elected our first Black President! I thought maybe we had finally really turned the corner on racism and were seriously beginning to put it behind us. Then along came Trump and shattered this naïveté. I am still feeling heartbroken over that disappointment!
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Gunnar wrote:I was so proud of my country when we elected our first Black President! I thought maybe we had finally really turned the corner on racism and were seriously beginning to put it behind us.
If you, yourself, had turned the corner on racism then the race of your President would be irrelevant. Celebrating "First Black" is inherently the whitest thing you can do.
Gunnar wrote: Then along came Trump and shattered this naïveté. I am still feeling heartbroken over that disappointment!
Geez, do your parents know you are on the internet?
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Gunnar wrote:I was so proud of my country when we elected our first Black President! I thought maybe we had finally really turned the corner on racism and were seriously beginning to put it behind us.
subgenius wrote:If you, yourself, had turned the corner on racism then the race of your President would be irrelevant. Celebrating "First Black" is inherently the whitest thing you can do.
Subgenius, The shear depth of ignorance presented by this statement of yours is breathtaking. I really cannot believe you have such an ignorant view of what racism is. You must be pretending just to annoy people you view as on the other side of the political fence. Or perhaps more accurately this perversion of what racism is is an attempt to put on a costume to cover any responsibility.
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Gunnar wrote:I thought maybe we had finally really turned the corner on racism and were seriously beginning to put it behind us.
If you, yourself, had turned the corner on racism then the race of your President would be irrelevant. Celebrating "First Black" is inherently the whitest thing you can do.
Tell that to a black person, and let me know their response.
canpakes wrote:Tell that to a black person, and let me know their response.
Because you don't have access?...figures
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huckelberry wrote:I really cannot believe you have such an ignorant view of what racism is. You must be pretending just to annoy people you view as on the other side of the political fence.
Yup.
it would be nice if the US had reached the same stage with black people as it did long ago did with (say) people of Irish ancestry, where such origins would now be seen as so unlikely to inspire prejudice as to be irrelevant.
That is, alas, not the case with blackness, which continues to inspire contempt and dislike amongst a significant number of Americans. And that is why, when it appeared that a majority of voting Americans had no problem about voting for a black President, it was a legitimate cause for remark, and for expressing satisfaction at the progress made since the time when such an outcome would have been inconceivable.
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Obama was another corporate shill that did their bidding. I hear he is having a time hanging with the Bushes.
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