So, I think I overstated what ought to be done with a President who is so overtly antagonistic toward bad publicity. It's shocking, in that I recall prior Presidents repeatedly affirming the Press' right to report freely and even critically. I also balk at a President taking these small baby steps toward authoritarianism. We have too many lessons from history that show these kinds of statements and small actions lead to bigger problems down the road.
- Doc
Hey Doc, during your research did you happen to notice how many journalists Trump has put in prison and how many any previous President has put in prison? That would seem like a good distinction to understand your condemnation(s).
Weird flex, but ok.
eta: I mean, it's not like he wants to jail journalists or anything:
Comey writes in memo he laughed after Trump floated the idea of jailing journalists
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Comey writes in memo he laughed after Trump floated the idea of jailing journalists
- Doc
Wanting to and actually doing it are 2 different "baby steps", agree? But again, did you happen to notice if any prior President has actually jailed a journalist?...like maybe any recent President?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
He asked the Director of the FBI about jailing journalists who publish unflattering remarks about him. Do you have any red lines when it comes to Trump?
As to your second point I already made the point that recent Presidents have championed freedom of the press, unless of course you're going to whatabout GWB and Obama attempting to prosecute leakers who published classified information?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:He asked the Director of the FBI about jailing journalists who publish unflattering remarks about him. Do you have any red lines when it comes to Trump?
As to your second point I already made the point that recent Presidents have championed freedom of the press, unless of course you're going to whatabout GWB and Obama attempting to prosecute leakers who published classified information?
- Doc
its not whatabout when you introduced the topic of "other presidents". But thanks for taking the bucket back to the tired and dry well. Point being, Trump's alleged asking about jailing journalists seems less than another President actually trying to jail a journalist. But yeah, spin it so Trump remains the mean orange tweeter... oh, the red line is somewhere over by the undeniably successful presidency that is occurring while you guys run around upset about stripper payments and red Christmas trees.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
The Alien and Sedition Acts and later the Sedition Act of 1918 are two of the most shameful periods in American law. If your, "this has precedent" argument is referring to some of the most broken, un-American acts in American history, congrats, you aren't defending Trump very well.
Obama's war on whistleblowers was bad, but also not even remotely the same thing as wanting to turn defamation law on critics of the presidency. Subs usual false equivalence game is at work, and it seems like he genuinely thinks this makes him a cooler head. I'd like to think he's just like the Lady McBeth character in Ran and wants to see the US torn from within because he thinks the country wronged him somehow. Like it's payback for American colonialism or something.
subgenius wrote:... the undeniably successful presidency that is occurring ....
subs takes great pride in the fact that several conservative judges and a few conservative legislative accomplishments of dubious continued lifespan have managed to be wrought from two years of virtually absolute Republican control of Congress and the Presidency.
The next two years should be interesting. After that, history will have the final say about what constitutes ‘successful’.
I wonder what Trump could have accomplished had he not felt a continued need to play the persecuted martyr that must act like a dick to please the frustrated and emasculated members of his Base.
Please explain how wanting to jail reporters who publish salacious leaks about Trump's behavior is different to wanting to prosecute leakers of classified information.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Not surprisingly, Trump's ability to see what might be an illegal act is on par with his ability to spot someone who might commit one.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."