Unbelievable Cruelty Towards Migrant Children

[_Chap]

Here is Trump's DOJ lawyer arguing before the court that its fine to deprive children of sleep and toiletry items.

https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2019/06 ... GwFH9EceSQ

I am almost (only almost) sorry for that young woman trying to argue the case that the 'safe and sanitary' condition for detention might be fulfilled when (for instance) the person detained is effectively deprived of sleep (bare concrete floor, lights on all night, only an aluminium blanket provided, low temperatures), and has no soap to wash with. It is her duty as a lawyer to present her client's case in the best possible light, whatever she personally thinks of its merits, so that's what she tries to do under the puzzled gaze of the three judges. It must have been a shaming experience for her.

Of course she could have refused to present the case, in which case she would probably have been fired by the DOJ. Well, maybe that's what she should have done, really ...

[_EAllusion]

I am almost (only almost) sorry for that young woman trying to argue the case that the 'safe and sanitary' condition for detention might be fulfilled when (for instance) the person detained is effectively deprived of sleep (bare concrete floor, lights on all night, only an aluminium blanket provided, low temperatures), and has no soap to wash with. It is her duty as a lawyer to present her client's case in the best possible light, whatever she personally thinks of its merits, so that's what she tries to do under the puzzled gaze of the three judges. It must have been a shaming experience for her.

Of course she could have refused to present the case, in which case she would probably have been fired by the DOJ. Well, maybe that's what she should have done, really ...

I think if you are arguing in court on behalf of the government in favor of severe neglect of children, you've lost the moral high ground to claim you are just doing your job. There are some jobs you are morally obligated to not agree to do. This is especially true when the worst consequence she will face for refusing is loss of her current job. She isn't doing this under threat of execution.

She deserves zero sympathy.

[_Jersey Girl]

I am almost (only almost) sorry for that young woman trying to argue the case that the 'safe and sanitary' condition for detention might be fulfilled when (for instance) the person detained is effectively deprived of sleep (bare concrete floor, lights on all night, only an aluminium blanket provided, low temperatures), and has no soap to wash with. It is her duty as a lawyer to present her client's case in the best possible light, whatever she personally thinks of its merits, so that's what she tries to do under the puzzled gaze of the three judges. It must have been a shaming experience for her.

Of course she could have refused to present the case, in which case she would probably have been fired by the DOJ. Well, maybe that's what she should have done, really ...

She gets zero sympathy from me. So far as I am concerned she sold her soul right there.

[_Jersey Girl]

She deserves zero sympathy.

She gets zero sympathy from me.

Well there you go.

[_Gunnar]

That she deserves zero sympathy should not be even the slightest bit controversial. I wonder how many DoJ lawyers refused to argue for this inhumane position and were consequently disciplined and/or fired before they found one willing to do so.

[_Gunnar]

Trump makes little or no attempt to hide the fact that such negligent and horrible treatment of these children is by deliberate design. The idea is that knowledge of the horrible conditions these children are subjected to will get back to refugees still approaching the border and somehow discourage them from legitimately seeking asylum. I sincerely believe Trump would just as soon let these children die, if he thought he could get away with it, which would probably be the more likely outcome if all these desperate refugees were just summarily turned away or simply gave up trying.

[_ajax18]

Trump makes little or no attempt to hide the fact that such negligent and horrible treatment of these children is by deliberate design. The idea is that knowledge of the horrible conditions these children are subjected to will get back to refugees still approaching the border and somehow discourage them from legitimately seeking asylum. I sincerely believe Trump would just as soon let these children die, if he thought he could get away with it, which would probably be the more likely outcome if all these desperate refugees were just summarily turned away or simply gave up trying.

Enforcing the border is basically murder in your view.

[_DarkHelmet]

Trump is simply appealing to his base. Unnecessary cruelty to migrant children is what they want.

[_Jersey Girl]

Trump makes little or no attempt to hide the fact that such negligent and horrible treatment of these children is by deliberate design. The idea is that knowledge of the horrible conditions these children are subjected to will get back to refugees still approaching the border and somehow discourage them from legitimately seeking asylum. I sincerely believe Trump would just as soon let these children die, if he thought he could get away with it, which would probably be the more likely outcome if all these desperate refugees were just summarily turned away or simply gave up trying.

Enforcing the border is basically murder in your view.

ajax that is not enforcing the border. That's child abuse and neglect. Even animals have protections in this country. In fact (and I know I've mentioned this before) our first child abuse cases in the US were litigated based on animal rights law.

It's not okay for you to turn a blind eye to the wholesale damage that is being done to these children. It is going to result in the same types of attachment disorders as we saw in the Russian and Romanian orphanages when foreign adoptees were placed with US parents and had no idea what they were getting into.

FYI: The systems over there would take in children with minor and also significant conditions such as deafness, all labeled essentially the same way as having profound disabilities, all raised up in understaffed and substandard environments, suffered from attachment disorders/failure to thrive and guess what happened in their teen years for the youth that survived? They were put out on the street to fend for themselves. I've taught some of those children.

This is what is happening at our border. The US should be heads above this.

Some shining city on a hill we turned out to be.

[_Gunnar]

Enforcing the border is basically murder in your view.

No, but murder would be Trump's preferred way to enforce the border, if he thought he could get away with it. I think much of his base would happily go along with that. How about you? Would you be happy to see that happen?