On Taking on Holocaust Deniers

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Re: On Taking on Holocaust Deniers

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Gunnar wrote:
huckelberry wrote:Hey Smokey, I admit I can think of one good thing Hitler did, after all nobody is all bad. He sent millions of Nazis to their death on the eastern front. Go to Go to.

Millions of soldiers, anyway. How many of them were really Nazis? How many of them do you think really wanted to participate in Hitler's madness? Were they permitted any choice in the matter? Of course, it must be admitted that it would have been much worse for the allies, had those troops been sent in the opposite direction!


You are certainly correct about regular young men swept up in obligation and legal requirement. Sort of tarnishes the accomplishment I proposed.
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Gunnar wrote:
huckelberry wrote:Hey Smokey, I admit I can think of one good thing Hitler did, after all nobody is all bad. He sent millions of Nazis to their death on the eastern front. Go to Go to.


Millions of soldiers, anyway. How many of them were really Nazis? How many of them do you think really wanted to participate in Hitler's madness? Were they permitted any choice in the matter? Of course, it must be admitted that it would have been much worse for the allies, had those troops been sent in the opposite direction!


Maybe we should not divert to much into this issue ... but, while it did used to be the received wisdom that the atrocities committed against the Russian population during the German attack on the Soviet Union were all carried out by fanatical SS Nazis rather than 'ordinary decent soldiers', the view over recent decades seems to have changed somewhat on this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime ... ssa_Decree
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Re: On Taking on Holocaust Deniers

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I’ve been wrong before and am always happy to be corrected.

The problem with this thread is: all you’re really talking about is “denying” some religious belief. Replace the sacred Jewish word “Holocaust” with “Lord Xenu” and you can see it sounds pretty stupid.

On Taking on Lord Xenu Deniers

A religious person defends their faith-based belief

The fact that there is a special term and reverence for a Jewish person lost during World War 2 versus, say, a Christian, for example, illustrates this further.

The fact that, in Jewish controlled countries, it is literally illegal to question any of the details of the “Jewish Holocaust” narrative illustrates this further.

The fact that any unofficial narrative on the Internet about the “Six Gorillion” invokes such a nasty and visceral (think gnashing of teeth) response illustrates further that this is a religious and not a historical belief.

Just look at how nasty responses are even within this obscure message board. You’d think that I’ve been posting about people’s mothers. All the really hardcore personal attacks and insults, openly celebrating the deaths of unknown people, all sorts of body shaming, etc. and can you imagine what would happen to my family if I posted here with my real name? They would be in real danger. Why? Because I threatened them with violence? Posted pics of me damned their mother? No. I don’t believe in the Jewish Holocaust™️ story without evidence. Blasphemy.

What other lack of belief in a real life event invokes such a response?

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Smokey wrote:Just look at how nasty responses are even within this obscure message board. You’d think that I’ve been posting about people’s mothers. All the really hardcore personal attacks and insults, openly celebrating the deaths of unknown people, all sorts of body shaming, etc. and can you imagine what would happen to my family if I posted here with my real name? They would be in real danger. Why? Because I threatened them with violence? Posted pics of me damned their mother?

Oh, my. Here comes the snowflakey whining from someone who has posted meme after meme attempting to ‘out’ a whistleblower.


Smokey wrote:No. I don’t believe in the Jewish Holocaust™️ story without evidence. Blasphemy.

You believe in all sorts of things without evidence. This includes your religious beliefs. The Holocaust, as an event, Trump's your evidence for your religious beliefs. You’ve even been posting pics of Holocaust evidence, as a point.


Smokey wrote:What other lack of belief in a real life event ...

Good to see that you acknowledge the Holocaust as a real-life event. ; )
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Smokey wrote:You’d think that I’ve been posting about people’s mothers


The mother of somehow I know spent a large part of WWII hidden in a convent pretending to be a Catholic orphan. Why? Because the nice German people who had invaded the country where she lived were arresting and deporting every jew they could find, including little girls.

The nuns took the risk of hiding her because they thought they had a pretty good idea of the likely consequences of the Germans finding themselves with a useless Jewish child on their hands. Funnily enough, however, so far as the records go, after the war pretty well all the kids who were deported decided that they liked Germany so much that they decided to stay there. Well, what other explanation can be given for the fact that they never came home again?
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Gunnar wrote:
huckelberry wrote:Hey Smokey, I admit I can think of one good thing Hitler did, after all nobody is all bad. He sent millions of Nazis to their death on the eastern front. Go to Go to.


Millions of soldiers, anyway. How many of them were really Nazis? How many of them do you think really wanted to participate in Hitler's madness? Were they permitted any choice in the matter? Of course, it must be admitted that it would have been much worse for the allies, had those troops been sent in the opposite direction!


Let's lighten up, Hey?? Why should the holocaust deniers have all the good jokes?????

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Smokey wrote:I’ve been wrong before and am always happy to be corrected.

The problem with this thread is: all you’re really talking about is “denying” some religious belief. Replace the sacred Jewish word “Holocaust” with “Lord Xenu” and you can see it sounds pretty stupid.

On Taking on Lord Xenu Deniers

A religious person defends their faith-based belief

The fact that there is a special term and reverence for a Jewish person lost during World War 2 versus, say, a Christian, for example, illustrates this further.

The fact that, in Jewish controlled countries, it is literally illegal to question any of the details of the “Jewish Holocaust” narrative illustrates this further.

The fact that any unofficial narrative on the Internet about the “Six Gorillion” invokes such a nasty and visceral (think gnashing of teeth) response illustrates further that this is a religious and not a historical belief.

Just look at how nasty responses are even within this obscure message board. You’d think that I’ve been posting about people’s mothers. All the really hardcore personal attacks and insults, openly celebrating the deaths of unknown people, all sorts of body shaming, etc. and can you imagine what would happen to my family if I posted here with my real name? They would be in real danger. Why? Because I threatened them with violence? Posted pics of me ____ their mother? No. I don’t believe in the Jewish Holocaust™️ story without evidence. Blasphemy.

What other lack of belief in a real life event invokes such a response?



I'm positive you've been wrong before. You've been wrong a number of times just on this board, but when someone points it out, you just change the subject to your next wrong thing.

Ah, the "I'm the victim here" gambit. You know that's BS. And you know why. Holocaust denial is a key strategy of Jew haters. It's not just a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy theory designed to manufacture anger, resentment, and hatred toward Jews. It's promoted by Neo-Nazi's who claim that Jews are "mud people" --= that they are an inferior race that have no souls. That they are the enemy and it's the superior race's job to finish what Hitler started.

To say that there is no evidence of the holocaust is absurd. You simply deny the evidence available to you and instead robotically spout false and deceptive BS that has been discredited for decades now. You reject perfectly good evidence, but never once question even the most inane claim by a fellow holocaust denier. And even when shown why your claims are BS, you just go merrily on your way to the next piece of BS. And I'll bet you'll use them again and again and again elsewhere. Because you don't care about the truth. You just hate Jews. And you are goofy enough to claim that those who stand up to you are a "religion." Holocaust denial is a cult, dude. A nasty, vicious cult. You demonize Jews just as Hitler did. What you do leads directly to Rwanda, where neighbors who had lived together peacefully for decades picked up machetes and hacked each other to death.

And you Jew haters get people killed. You brainwash guys into believing that Jews are some kind of existential threat, so of course they grab a gun and go shoot up a synagogue. It's as predictable as clockwork. And you know it. Maybe you revel in it. How deep does your Jew hate go, Smokey?

The holocaust gets special treatment for contingent, historical reasons. Never before had the world witnessed such a cold, calculated, organized and mechanized attempt at genocide. And it came with lots of pictures. People reacted with extreme revulsion -- as they should. Why do we memorialize 9-11 when many more people get killed by firearms in the U.S? It's the same question. The holocaust was a black swan -- and those tend to get special treatment.

But that's the deal. Holocaust denial is malicious and deadly in a way that no other nutty conspiracy theory is. And when you intentionally waltz onto a bulletin board with a smug, insulting, assholish attitude, spouting not just lies, but malicious lies, you should expect to be treated impolitely. And deservedly so.

So spare us all the whiny victim nonsense. It's as phony as your claim that some of Anne Frank's diary entries are in ball point pen.
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Well said, RI. Smokey's claim of victimhood is ridiculous, but not nearly as ridiculous as claiming that our responses to him are somehow a threat to the well being and safety of him and his family! Clearly pointing out where and why he is mistaken does not in any way imply any kind of threat to him or his loved ones, though it may threaten his fragile ego.
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Gunnar wrote:Well said, RI. Smokey's claim of victimhood is ridiculous, but not nearly as ridiculous as claiming that our responses to him are somehow a threat to the well being and safety of him and his family! Clearly pointing out where and why he is mistaken does not in any way imply any kind of threat to him or his loved ones, though it may threaten his fragile ego.


The whole thing is theater, Gunnar. He'll run back to his little bubble of Jew Haters and brag about how brave he was to stand up to mean, Jew puppets.

It's really sad to see someone sucked into this crap.

C'mon Smokey, fess up. Did you spring from the womb hating Jews? Did your parents hate Jews? How did you discover holocaust denial? Tell us your story. You can't make a worse impression on the folks here than you already have, so what have you got to lose?
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Res Ipsa wrote:The whole thing is theater, Gunnar.


Obviously!

He'll run back to his little bubble of Jew Haters and brag about how brave he was to stand up to mean, Jew puppets


Undoubtedly!

It's really sad to see someone sucked into this crap.


Yes! It's a crying shame! :cry:
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