Just in case you missed it...

[_Jersey Girl]

Think about what you’re suggesting, Jersey Girl. Say President Trump needed to choose a new SecDef, and he’s settled on six Generals/Admirals. He brings in a little boy or girl that’s loves the military. The final choice is left up to the child, and not a quorum of adults responsible for a host of regulatory, fiscal, social, political, and policy issues. It’s up to a kid, instead.

This, but for education, is a good idea to you?

- Doc

Sorry I didn't have time earlier to reply to you. I just got home from school. :-)

I think your analogy misses the point. What Warren (and no, I don't think she'll become President) is suggesting isn't bringing in a child who loves school to make decisions about budgeting, etc. She's suggesting bringing in a child who will be the consumer of the very product and delivery of priority services that the candidate will oversee. In this case the product is education.

That she wants to bring in a child as part of the selection process tells me that she is looking for a candidate who has the ability to relate to children and their needs, for that is exactly what the candidates job will be based on. How best to serve America's students via our educational systems.

Furthermore, she is proposing bringing in a student resource who faces academic, social, emotional and psychological challenges. I assume that student will ask questions of the candidate about how they intend to serve one of the most vulnerable populations in the school systems, that of trans students and also their typical peer classmates.

She wants to know and find out if the candidate has the ability to relate to the very students they'll ultimately serve. She essentially proposing putting the candidate through the smell test.

You can ask yourself this. Have you seen Trump interacting with children? Do you think he relates to them well or is he completely clueless? Have you seen Betty Devos answering questions about and/or defending her policies? Do you think she gives even the smallest crap about meeting the needs of students in our public school systems? Do you you think she is committed to serving our trans student populations or do you think she acts on a kind of ick factor?

I don't know how many teachers I have interviewed and evaluated. Probably under 50. I don't know how many teachers and/or administrators and/or programs I evaluated and critiqued over the course of upwards of 3 decades.

During the hiring process as an administrator and following the one:one interview, I scheduled every single candidate under consideration to come in and teach a session of school. Why? I put them through them through my own smell test.
Afterwards, when the candidate had left, I asked the students "How'd she do?" And I paid attention to what they told me.

I can tell you this much. There are those involved in education who are directly tuned in to the academic, emotional/social/psychological needs of students and who know how to develop programs and funding to meet those needs. Conversely, there are those involved in education who are completely out of touch and have no business being involved in any capacity.

Because not everyone who holds the credentials is fully fit to do the job before them.

I mentioned that I just came home from school. For the first time in 7 years I went before a class of early childhood students to make a presentation, this time first graders. I haven't been in a classroom in 7 years. I haven't been in first grade for decades. Hear me out.

During the presentation I was observed by the teacher and also video taped. So what who cayas, right? The teacher cares. I am more than certain because I am going through the process to volunteer assist in her classroom for which I have credentials/experience coming out of my eyeballs, that the teacher video taped for the class record and while she observed she was putting me through her smell test. Can I relate to her students? Do I respect them? Can I hold the attention and facilitate the learning process of a full class of 20+ students at one time? And based on that will she want me to interact with students as part of the teaching team or will she want me to do busy work away from students?

What Elizabeth Warren is proposing is the same thing. She wants to find out of the candidates in question who hold the credentials is fit to do the job.

If faced with the same process, Betty Devos would have failed miserably.

So yes, I support Warren's proposed process. When it comes to knowing how to meet the needs of students and selecting a candidate to do the same, she meets my smell test. Several times over in fact.

[_Markk]

Holy ____ balls, Markk. She was talking to a kid. Have you ever spoken to a child before? You say ____, and the fact that the kid asked a reasonable and intelligent question made him worth responding to with respect.

If you think Warren was going to ask this kid to actually make the call on the next Sec of Education, you're on crack. She may actually ask his opinion, and that would be kind of cool. But if she were actually President, she'd be deciding that ____.

And if you think this rises even close to the level of Trump's malfeasance, there's no redeeming you. You are a horrible judge of character.

huh...shes was talking at a campaign stop in Iowa about when she talked to the kid, confirming a child would have final say. ...the kid was not even there when she said it the video I linked. I didn't say it she did.

[_Markk]

Don’t play dumb. You’re the one spinning this.

If I have 6 excellent candidates pre-vetted that would all be great picks for the office, and a trans child makes a final determination between them by choosing which of the six takes the position, why is that loony, or bad?

The current guy makes his picks based on how much flattery he receives from the candidate, or how much they helped his campaign. I don’t see that as a superior selection methodology.

Pre vetted or not the kid makes the choice, it was part two of her plan...listen to what she said. You just can't make this stuff up...

[_Markk]

Canpakes,

That was just looney tunes pandering to the hard Left or social justice types. No adult in their right mind would ever allow a 9-year-old to be involved in a national level appointment. That whole trans kid display was weird, surreal, and frankly deeply problematic on about 20 different levels. If I were you I wouldn't certainly wouldn't try to spin this in any way except for it being absolutely r____.

- Doc

See bold...I will add, nobody in their right mind would agree or try to defend this non-sense. The trans thing is not even a issue, a nine year old child or any person of any age making that choice...If Warren wants to be commander and chief...act like one.

I hope she was pandering...but given her delusional past, I doubt it.

If the left is serious about defeating a incumbent president with a rising economy...they really need to have someone people can identify with...like Gabby, or maybe even Pete, but Bernie, and Warren are not very good options.

[_Jersey Girl]

The trans thing is not even a issue,

[_Markk]

Sorry I didn't have time earlier to reply to you. I just got home from school. :-)

I think your analogy misses the point. What Warren (and no, I don't think she'll become President) is suggesting isn't bringing in a child who loves school to make decisions about budgeting, etc. She's suggesting bringing in a child who will be the consumer of the very product and delivery of priority services that the candidate will oversee. In this case the product is education.

That she wants to bring in a child as part of the selection process tells me that she is looking for a candidate who has the ability to relate to children and their needs, for that is exactly what the candidates job will be based on. How best to serve America's students via our educational systems.

Furthermore, she is proposing bringing in a student resource who faces academic, social, emotional and psychological challenges. I assume that student will ask questions of the candidate about how they intend to serve one of the most vulnerable populations in the school systems, that of trans students and also their typical peer classmates.

She wants to know and find out if the candidate has the ability to relate to the very students they'll ultimately serve. She essentially proposing putting the candidate through the smell test.

You can ask yourself this. Have you seen Trump interacting with children? Do you think he relates to them well or is he completely clueless? Have you seen Betty Devos answering questions about and/or defending her policies? Do you think she gives even the smallest ____ about meeting the needs of students in our public school systems? Do you you think she is committed to serving our trans student populations or do you think she acts on a kind of ick factor?

I don't know how many teachers I have interviewed and evaluated. Probably under 50. I don't know how many teachers and/or administrators and/or programs I evaluated and critiqued over the course of upwards of 3 decades.

During the hiring process as an administrator and following the one:one interview, I scheduled every single candidate under consideration to come in and teach a session of school. Why? I put them through them through my own smell test.
Afterwards, when the candidate had left, I asked the students "How'd she do?" And I paid attention to what they told me.

I can tell you this much. There are those involved in education who are directly tuned in to the academic, emotional/social/psychological needs of students and who know how to develop programs and funding to meet those needs. Conversely, there are those involved in education who are completely out of touch and have no business being involved in any capacity.

Because not everyone who holds the credentials is fully fit to do the job before them.

I mentioned that I just came home from school. For the first time in 7 years I went before a class of early childhood students to make a presentation, this time first graders. I haven't been in a classroom in 7 years. I haven't been in first grade for decades. Hear me out.

During the presentation I was observed by the teacher and also video taped. So what who cayas, right? The teacher cares. I am more than certain because I am going through the process to volunteer assist in her classroom for which I have credentials/experience coming out of my eyeballs, that the teacher video taped for the class record and while she observed she was putting me through her smell test. Can I relate to her students? Do I respect them? Can I hold the attention and facilitate the learning process of a full class of 20+ students at one time? And based on that will she want me to interact with students as part of the teaching team or will she want me to do busy work away from students?

What Elizabeth Warren is proposing is the same thing. She wants to find out of the candidates in question who hold the credentials is fit to do the job.

If faced with the same process, Betty Devos would have failed miserably.

So yes, I support Warren's proposed process. When it comes to knowing how to meet the needs of students and selecting a candidate to do the same, she meets my smell test. Several times over in fact.

What does any of that have to do with a president choosing a child to pick a cabinet level position...like I wrote...you just can't make this stuff up.

[_Jersey Girl]

Betty Devos

Transgender students asked Betsy DeVos for help. Here's what happened.
The Trump administration 'has absolutely no clue' what families go through, one mother said.

By CAITLIN EMMA 08/18/2018 06:40 AM EDT

Alex Howe dreaded the long walk he had to take just to use the bathroom at his Texas high school — two unisex stalls in the middle of the sprawling building, far from his classrooms.

Because he’s a transgender boy, his school district barred him from the much more convenient boy’s restrooms. “It was isolating and alienating,” Howe, who was identified at birth as female, told POLITICO, the first time he has spoken publicly about being a transgender high school kid. And it didn’t stop there.

Conservative parents told the debate coach they didn’t want Howe sharing a room with their sons on trips to competitions. The frustrated coach argued that Howe should be treated the same as the other kids, but school administrators sided with the parents and wouldn’t budge. He roomed alone, singled out again.

owe struggled with depression and his mother, Stacey Burg, said the treatment at school took its toll. “He would see his therapist and they would increase his antidepressants,” she said. “He would say it’s schoolwork and debate, but I thought it was more. He was stressed all the time. He was upset, he was depressed, he was anxious. He would get angry at home.”

After his graduation in 2017 Howe filed a complaint with federal civil rights officials at the Department of Education, hoping to ease the way for other transgender students at his school to use the bathrooms of their choice. But an examination of federal records by POLITICO shows that his complaint is one of at least five involving transgender students denied bathroom access that was thrown out by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, who has halted such investigations.

nother transgender student interviewed by POLITICO and also speaking publicly for the first time said his bathroom-related complaint hasn’t been dismissed, but his case has stalled for three years. He doesn’t know why.

Both Howe and the second student, who wants to be identified only by his first name, Drake, described the human cost of DeVos’ decision to turn down and hold off on their appeals for help. While high school isn’t easy for many kids who don’t fit in with the herd, for transgender students it can be so much worse.

Burg said the Trump administration “has absolutely no clue” what families go through when their transgender child isn’t treated equally at school.

“Think about, what if it was your kid? How would you feel?” she said.

The Education Department's dismissals are just a slice of what advocates see as a broader assault on LGBT rights across the federal government in the Trump administration, including in education, health care, the military and housing. The administration, for example, has sought to protect health care workers who don’t want to treat transgender or LGBT patients seeking to transition and ban transgender individuals from serving in the military.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/ ... ent-743162

[_Jersey Girl]

Sorry I didn't have time earlier to reply to you. I just got home from school. :-)

I think your analogy misses the point. What Warren (and no, I don't think she'll become President) is suggesting isn't bringing in a child who loves school to make decisions about budgeting, etc. She's suggesting bringing in a child who will be the consumer of the very product and delivery of priority services that the candidate will oversee. In this case the product is education.

That she wants to bring in a child as part of the selection process tells me that she is looking for a candidate who has the ability to relate to children and their needs, for that is exactly what the candidates job will be based on. How best to serve America's students via our educational systems.

Furthermore, she is proposing bringing in a student resource who faces academic, social, emotional and psychological challenges. I assume that student will ask questions of the candidate about how they intend to serve one of the most vulnerable populations in the school systems, that of trans students and also their typical peer classmates.

She wants to know and find out if the candidate has the ability to relate to the very students they'll ultimately serve. She essentially proposing putting the candidate through the smell test.

You can ask yourself this. Have you seen Trump interacting with children? Do you think he relates to them well or is he completely clueless? Have you seen Betty Devos answering questions about and/or defending her policies? Do you think she gives even the smallest ____ about meeting the needs of students in our public school systems? Do you you think she is committed to serving our trans student populations or do you think she acts on a kind of ick factor?

I don't know how many teachers I have interviewed and evaluated. Probably under 50. I don't know how many teachers and/or administrators and/or programs I evaluated and critiqued over the course of upwards of 3 decades.

During the hiring process as an administrator and following the one:one interview, I scheduled every single candidate under consideration to come in and teach a session of school. Why? I put them through them through my own smell test.
Afterwards, when the candidate had left, I asked the students "How'd she do?" And I paid attention to what they told me.

I can tell you this much. There are those involved in education who are directly tuned in to the academic, emotional/social/psychological needs of students and who know how to develop programs and funding to meet those needs. Conversely, there are those involved in education who are completely out of touch and have no business being involved in any capacity.

Because not everyone who holds the credentials is fully fit to do the job before them.

I mentioned that I just came home from school. For the first time in 7 years I went before a class of early childhood students to make a presentation, this time first graders. I haven't been in a classroom in 7 years. I haven't been in first grade for decades. Hear me out.

During the presentation I was observed by the teacher and also video taped. So what who cayas, right? The teacher cares. I am more than certain because I am going through the process to volunteer assist in her classroom for which I have credentials/experience coming out of my eyeballs, that the teacher video taped for the class record and while she observed she was putting me through her smell test. Can I relate to her students? Do I respect them? Can I hold the attention and facilitate the learning process of a full class of 20+ students at one time? And based on that will she want me to interact with students as part of the teaching team or will she want me to do busy work away from students?

What Elizabeth Warren is proposing is the same thing. She wants to find out of the candidates in question who hold the credentials is fit to do the job.

If faced with the same process, Betty Devos would have failed miserably.

So yes, I support Warren's proposed process. When it comes to knowing how to meet the needs of students and selecting a candidate to do the same, she meets my smell test. Several times over in fact.

What does any of that have to do with a president choosing a child to pick a cabinet level position...like I wrote...you just can't make this stuff up.

Read it. Oh wait. What am I asking?

[_Markk]

What does it have to do with anything, if you're going down that road what about the cowboy kid, or the jock kid, or inner city child...should they have a say also.

It's about a nine year old doing the presidents job for a diverse nation.

[_Jersey Girl]

What does it have to do with anything, if you're going down that road what about the cowboy kid, or the jock kid, or inner city child...should they have a say also.

It's about a nine year old doing the presidents job for a diverse nation.

You're out of your depth. You have no depth.