Biden knew Saddam Hussein had NO plans to attack the US. Evidence is overwhelming.

[Guest]

DT, why do you have such a hard time making choices between things that aren't your first preference? It seems like we are repeating the same discussions from 2016 yet you forget the entire dialog about the supreme court that followed.

Whatever it is you want in a leader, you aren't going to find them in any real world. Kinda like your unrealistic views on relationships.

It won't be a 2016 repeat. I am convinced Trump will lose.

I understand. Had it been Warren or Buttigieg I would have supported them, but it is much harder with Biden because voted for a disastrous war.

[_honorentheos]

DT, why do you have such a hard time making choices between things that aren't your first preference? It seems like we are repeating the same discussions from 2016 yet you forget the entire dialog about the supreme court that followed.

Whatever it is you want in a leader, you aren't going to find them in any real world. Kinda like your unrealistic views on relationships.

It won't be a 2016 repeat. I am convinced Trump will lose. I would hold my noise and vote for Warren or even Buttieg, but Biden voted for a disastrous war.

How did the war affect you, DT? Are you sure you are making this a red line issue for good reasons?

[_DoubtingThomas]

How did the war affect you, DT? Are you sure you are making this a red line issue for good reasons?

It didn't affect me, but the war killed thousands of innocent people.

[Guest]

You don't think EAllusion opposed the invasion if Iraq? That would be odd to me given its very consistent with his expressed views.and libertarian values he's presented on the board in the past.

Yes maybe, but that was a long long time ago. At the time he was probably having fun and partying a lot. I don't think he was political nerd at the time.

Huh. I have a hard time imaging EA has or ever had friends with whom he "parties". I very much imagine he was a twentysomething (assumed to be roughly college aged) anti-war know it all at the time. If he didn't already self identify as libertarian by then I'm sure he was well on his way.

[_ldsfaqs]

Biden knew Saddam Hussein had NO plans to attack the US. Evidence is overwhelming.

LOL, literally NOBODY then or now thought Saddam was going to "attack the US".
It was simply about stopping his WMD activity, giving WMD's to terrorists, and finally finishing the job the first Bush should have done.

Fun fact... WMD's WERE found in Iraq, even the New York Times finally admitted it.
I bet all of you still believe the "no WMD's" lie... Which shows two things, how ignorant you all are in not seeking the actual truth of things, and also my level of intellect compared to yours in knowing what's true, which debunks your narrative of me, that I'm an "idiot".

Anyway, the actual problem with WMD's were that most were shipped to Syria prior to the war because Sadaam was expecting "Inspectors", not an actual war, so he worked to hide them. This is why they were hard to find initially, thus allowing the false narrative to be created that there were no WMD's.

[_honorentheos]

How did the war affect you, DT? Are you sure you are making this a red line issue for good reasons?

It didn't affect me, but the war killed thousands of innocent people.

Are you sure this isn't a confabulation for justifying why you claim you won't vote for Biden? It seems like it to me. If you dig deeper, what's the real reason?

[_DoubtingThomas]

Are you sure you are making this a red line issue for good reasons?

I could vote for Biden, if he talks a lot about the issues that I care about.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Biden knew Saddam Hussein had NO plans to attack the US. Evidence is overwhelming.

LOL, literally NOBODY then or now thought Saddam was going to "attack the US".
It was simply about stopping his WMD activity, giving WMD's to terrorists, and finally finishing the job the first Bush should have done.

"Based on available information, there is no new evidence, no new precipitating event, no new threatening actions by the Iraqi government, no new reason to go to war that did not exist one, two, four, or even six years ago."

Powers, Gerald. "Would an invasion of Iraq be a ‘just war’?." United States Institute of Peace Special Report 98 (2003).
https://www.usip.org/publications/2003/ ... e-just-war

[_Res Ipsa]

LOL, literally NOBODY then or now thought Saddam was going to "attack the US".
It was simply about stopping his WMD activity, giving WMD's to terrorists, and finally finishing the job the first Bush should have done.

"Based on available information, there is no new evidence, no new precipitating event, no new threatening actions by the Iraqi government, no new reason to go to war that did not exist one, two, four, or even six years ago."

Powers, Gerald. "Would an invasion of Iraq be a ‘just war’?." United States Institute of Peace Special Report 98 (2003).
https://www.usip.org/publications/2003/ ... e-just-war

Oh, neat, DT. You can cherry pick a couple of sentences from newspaper articles and an advocacy piece from an peace promoting publication and conclude that everyone who supported the war was an idiot.

Let's see how well you have informed yourself on this topic. Give us a couple of paragraphs that summarize why Biden voted for the 2002 AUMF.

[_Morley]

I could vote for Biden, if he talks a lot about the issues that I care about.

I understand that Biden's going to address said issues next week. He's scheduled to both talk about America's need to settle Mars, and to promise that he'll sign legislation that requires younger women to so-called 'date' you.