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_Res Ipsa
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:53 am
RI are you aware of any involvement in the autonomous zone by Antifa? I saw someone post about that on Facebook and when I searched it up for myself that's not at all what I read. Here's a couple of links about the reports in question regarding Antifa involvement. Tell me what you think about this, please? Is this ____ or not?

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/i ... nmjxk30Gy0

https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-sea ... BlDeTt8ofw
Both articles are way overblown. There some self-identified members of Antifa among the protesters who formed Chaz. There are also members of a couple anarchist groups, Marxists, Peaceniks, and any of the variety of leftist groups you will find mixed in with any big protest group. I linked to articles in the local press in the long thread about George Floyd.

There are folks on the right who are trying to make Antifa some kind of scary bogeyman, just like caravans were a huge threat until right after the 2018 election. Several towns were punked by anti-Antifa propaganda into believing that busses full of Antifa that were going to take over their towns. A mixed-race family who went camping on the peninsula were harassed locals who were sure they were Antifa because they traveled in an old school bus. Locals actually felled trees to block the bus from leaving the campsite so the “Antifa” couldn’t escape. Yay for the assholes who are trying to whip up hysteria. Although several towns received warnings about the Antifa buses, it was all fake.

There is one guy, Andy Ngo, who is well known in these parts for flat out making things up to make Antifa sounds like ISIS. He already fooled Cam once.

In this neck of the woods, Antifa are the guys who rumble in Portland every couple of weeks with the Proud Boys. As I don’t run around wearing Nazi regalia, Antifa is about the last thing that would concern me walking around Seattle.

Various groups of protesters have marched to police precincts. The barricades at the East Precinct became a big deal because they were adjacent to a large Park that is a common starting or ending point for protest marches or rallies. The protests at the barricade were huge, and consisted of all kinds of folks from aged hippies to young folks. The protesters were as surprised as anyone to see the police withdraw. CHAZ was formed by the protesters happened to be there and those who showed up to celebrate their “victory.”

Frankly, Seattle has a history of land and building occupations, The awful results include creation of a black history museum, an art gallery, and a native cultural center. The police do want their precinct back, and I’m pretty confident they’ll get it. But a cooling off period for police and protesters is a good thing because we were coming very close to having dead people.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:28 am
Here are the undemocratic demands from the CHAZ:

https://mobile.Twitter.com/flugennock/s ... 88/photo/1

Some of their demands are actually pretty good. I especially like releasing people from prison who are serving for marijuana-related charges. That one seems like a no-brainer.

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Yeah, the anarchists are good on marijuana. Some of the other stuff is really out there. I think it’s based on notes from some speech somebody gave. It’s not like the Chazers? Chazians? Chazmonauts? have much leverage.

I also don’t see BLM rushing to open an embassy in Chaz. They have a silent protest march happening tomorrow, but it’s nowhere near Chaz.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:41 am

Both articles are way overblown. There some self-identified members of Antifa among the protesters who formed Chaz. There are also members of a couple anarchist groups, Marxists, Peaceniks, and any of the variety of leftist groups you will find mixed in with any big protest group. I linked to articles in the local press in the long thread about George Floyd.

There are folks on the right who are trying to make Antifa some kind of scary bogeyman, just like caravans were a huge threat until right after the 2018 election. Several towns were punked by anti-Antifa propaganda into believing that busses full of Antifa that were going to take over their towns. A mixed-race family who went camping on the peninsula were harassed locals who were sure they were Antifa because they traveled in an old school bus. Locals actually felled trees to block the bus from leaving the campsite so the “Antifa” couldn’t escape. Yay for the assholes who are trying to whip up hysteria. Although several towns received warnings about the Antifa buses, it was all fake.

There is one guy, Andy Ngo, who is well known in these parts for flat out making things up to make Antifa sounds like ISIS. He already fooled Cam once.

In this neck of the woods, Antifa are the guys who rumble in Portland every couple of weeks with the Proud Boys. As I don’t run around wearing Nazi regalia, Antifa is about the last thing that would concern me walking around Seattle.

Various groups of protesters have marched to police precincts. The barricades at the East Precinct became a big deal because they were adjacent to a large Park that is a common starting or ending point for protest marches or rallies. The protests at the barricade were huge, and consisted of all kinds of folks from aged hippies to young folks. The protesters were as surprised as anyone to see the police withdraw. CHAZ was formed by the protesters happened to be there and those who showed up to celebrate their “victory.”

Frankly, Seattle has a history of land and building occupations, The awful results include creation of a black history museum, an art gallery, and a native cultural center. The police do want their precinct back, and I’m pretty confident they’ll get it. But a cooling off period for police and protesters is a good thing because we were coming very close to having dead people.
Thanks RI! Yes, I'm pretty sure the person who posted the links is on the Right. Like very far Right.

But this?
Frankly, Seattle has a history of land and building occupations, The awful results include creation of a black history museum, an art gallery, and a native cultural center.
Man that place went down the tubes since I lived in Washington.

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OMG!! Utah has its own CHAZ! And has for 15 years. http://www.zaqart.com/zaqistan/zaqistan.shtml

I’m so embarrassed.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:45 am
OMG!! Utah has its own CHAZ! And has for 15 years. http://www.zaqart.com/zaqistan/zaqistan.shtml

I’m so embarrassed.
I'm so confused. :confused:
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:50 am
Both articles are way overblown. There some self-identified members of Antifa among the protesters who formed Chaz. There are also members of a couple anarchist groups, Marxists, Peaceniks, and any of the variety of leftist groups you will find mixed in with any big protest group. I linked to articles in the local press in the long thread about George Floyd.

There are folks on the right who are trying to make Antifa some kind of scary bogeyman, just like caravans were a huge threat until right after the 2018 election.

[...]

There is one guy, Andy Ngo, who is well known in these parts for flat out making things up to make Antifa sounds like ISIS. He already fooled Cam once.

[...]

Frankly, Seattle has a history of land and building occupations, The awful results include creation of a black history museum, an art gallery, and a native cultural center. The police do want their precinct back, and I’m pretty confident they’ll get it. But a cooling off period for police and protesters is a good thing because we were coming very close to having dead people.
After reading this thread and the related comments in the "Did this really just happen?" thread, I am inclined to the view that I have been over-influenced by material that may well have originated with people like Andrew Ngo.

I have had the pleasure of visiting Seattle for a while, and very much liked the city and the people I met there. So I am pleased to be able to believe that both the Seattle police and the population of the district in question may have behaved, and are now behaving, a lot better that I feared might be the case.
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It's hardly surprising the right is freaking out about CHAZ. They invested in fainting couches specifically for occasions like this.

Because, yeah know, lying to spread fear is the only tool in their toolbox.
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Stuart Varney just had a conniption fit over the Mayor's remarks saying Chaz is being overblown.
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Stuart Varney just had a conniption fit over the Mayor's remarks saying Chaz is being overblown.
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Uh oh. You didn't provide a link. Beware of the Chap!

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Icarus wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:28 pm
Stuart Varney just had a conniption fit over the Mayor's remarks saying Chaz is being overblown.
Well of course he is. I can’t tell you how pissed off I am that the right wing media, who don’t give a damn about Seattle, are escalating a situation the City has been trying to de-escalate. They’re going to get people killed, which is what we’ve been trying to avoid.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/0 ... s-for-sale On CHAZ rumors.
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