Police use of deadly force is extremely rare. The bankers kill way more innocent people.

[_Res Ipsa]

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[_Chap]

... complying politely with the officer and saving the argument or the courtroom? Or is that too much personal responsibility to ask from the public?

Nope. But the penalty for not being polite should not be death.

[_Res Ipsa]

... complying politely with the officer and saving the argument or the courtroom? Or is that too much personal responsibility to ask from the public?

Nope. But the penalty for not being polite should not be death.

Agreed. And a strategy of domination and control, first through shouting verbal commands and then through physical attack, should be expected to trigger fight or flight mechanisms. That's how a guy asleep in a car ends up dead. Or a guy in a hotel hallway trying to comply with physically difficult commands. Or a guy trying to comply with commands to show his id and keep his hands visible.

We all think we know how we would act in those situations. I suspect the three dead people in the above examples thought they knew, too.

[_ajax18]

I suspect the three dead people in the above examples thought they knew, too.

So if the policeman asks you to put your hands behind your back to cuff you, you would grab his taser, run, than fire the taser back at the officer when they pursued you? It's not inconceivable that had the suspect connected with the taser shot at the police officer he could disable them and get the firearm from the officer as well. That's a tad bit more than being impolite.

What exactly do you think the police were supposed to do? Don't enforce drunk driving laws against people who are asleep in their vehicle while blocking traffic in the McDonald's drive through? Or perhaps just let the suspect go if he flees lest someone get hurt when you're pursuing him? I think the entire police force in Atlanta need to walk off the job and find a city with a mayor who will support its officers and uphold law and order. And I can't believe Wendy's will ever rebuild in that area given the drastic increase in property insurance premiums they're going to face. Keep it up. Soon these people will be cooking jack rabbits over an open fire in these ghettos.

And a strategy of domination and control, first through shouting verbal commands and then through physical attack, should be expected to trigger fight or flight mechanisms.

Maybe you should go out there and do the job yourself if you think it's not being done right?

Then what happens? Charges are increased for fleeing and resisting arrest. And this is used as further evidence of systemic racism because a black man is punished more severely for the same crime as a nonblack man who simply complied, hired an attorney, and forfeited the year's salary it costs for getting caught DUI.

[_Icarus]

I suspect the three dead people in the above examples thought they knew, too.

So if the policeman asks you to put your hands behind your back to cuff you, you would grab his taser, run, than fire the taser back at the officer when they pursued you?

He didn't "fire" the taser nor could he because it was already dispensed. The only chance of using the taser would be at point blank range but he was several yards away and running away from him. The cop knew this before gunning him down. There was no credible threat to the cop, let alone to his life. To argue otherwise is disingenuous.

Further, in the wake of several unjustified killings during a time of social unrest, it is entirely understandable why a black man would fight like hell to prevent white cops from arresting him. The laws need to be changed the same way they were changed to prevent cops from pursuing cars in high speed chases. This guy was no threat to anyone. Take his keys away if you really think he'd drive off drunk.

[_Icarus]

Maybe you should go out there and do the job yourself if you think it's not being done right?

It doesn't have to be him. It just needs to be someone else who is trained to do the job right.

Then what happens? Charges are increased for fleeing and resisting arrest

Easily remedied by changing the laws and making it more difficult for cops to arrest people.

[_ajax18]

This guy was no threat to anyone. Take his keys away if you really think he'd drive off drunk.

So you think people shouldn't be arrested for falling asleep in their vehicle (in a Wendy's drive through lane) and blowing a 1.08? Do you think our DUI laws are too draconian, maybe even a cash cow for our legal system? I think you're right in a way. Why can't you just wake him up, pull his car over and make him call a friend to pick him up or take a cab home?

[_ajax18]

It doesn't have to be him. It just needs to be someone else who is trained to do the job right.

I'd say that people like you or Res Ipsa aren't willing to be police officers because it doesn't pay well enough. Am I right?

Easily remedied by changing the laws and making it more difficult for cops to arrest people.

I'm not sure I follow you here. So you are saying that people shouldn't be arrested for being drunk and behind the wheel of a car?

Educate me on how laws have been changed such that cops aren't allowed to get into a high speed chase. Does that mean as long as you can start speeding away you're just a fugitive until the police happen to run into you again? Then you've got a chance to wiggle out of it when you get to court. It looks like it pays to run and resist.

[_Themis]

I'm not sure I follow you here. So you are saying that people shouldn't be arrested for being drunk and behind the wheel of a car?

Should they be shot if they resist arrest and are running away unarmed?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ajax. Google Tony Timpa, then explain why he deserved to die.

- Doc