Trump Has Plan to BYPASS Election Results If He Loses

[_Jersey Girl]

Go to this where the man is speaking. I don't know who this guy is because I'm doing something else while listening and I missed it.

Trump voters prove we should take his election threat seriously | Erin Burnett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcsdW58KE-o

[_Jersey Girl]

If he loses why doesn't he just go to a country that has no extradition agreement with the U.S.? You know, one of those sh-it hole countries?

[_Gunnar]

I fervently hope that at least two more GOP senators grow both a conscience and a backbone and prevent Trump from replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg before the end of his term.

[_Jersey Girl]

Please, please, listen to this.

Michael Cohen: There will never be a peaceful transition of power if Trump loses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRBmVoMF-VI

[_Kishkumen]

Do you think there is any reasonable probability that will work, or that it will remain peaceful for long? I fear its potential to turn into a bloodbath and actual, full out, shooting, civil war. Certainly Trump and his stooges would have little or no hesitation to start murdering the protesters, especially if Trump sees no other way of avoiding spending the rest of his life in prison because of the crimes he committed before running for President. I still suspect that escaping prosecution for his shady business dealings weighed heavily in his decision to run for President in the first place.

Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida has just criminalized protests in the wind up to this very scenario.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/new ... 520585001/

[_Res Ipsa]

Res Ipsa's rules for surviving the election:

1. Don't panic. Part of all this is a suppression strategy. If enough anti-Trumpers think their vote won't matter, they won't vote. They want you to be afraid. Don't be afraid. Be determined.

2. When your is digging himself into a hole, hand him a shovel. Trump trolls all the time. If the press asks him to commit to something, he won't. And his base mostly eats it up. But not all of it. He's bleeding at the edges of his base. And those edges aren't going to react well at all to the notion that Trump will strongman his way into a president.

3. Remember who Trump is. He's a bully-boy coward. He talks big, but when the pressure is on he folds like a cheap suit. He is actually afraid of conflict to the point that the guy who became famous for saying "you're fired" actually doesn't have the guts to fire people face to face.

4. If you're worried, get involved in the election. Get in touch with the local Democratic party office and find out what they need. Phonebank. Send postcards to Democrats. Send money to close races. Or to the fund to pay the Florida "poll tax." The Democrats' base is larger than the Reps' but more diverse and harder to turn out. Help it turn out as if Trump were 10% ahead.

5. Vote as early as you can. If your state has early voting, use it. If you are voting by mail, fill out your ballot on the day it arrives and send it back the next day. Even better, if your state has drop boxes for ballots, drop off your ballot there the same day. If your state has an online tracking system, use it to make sure your ballot is accepted. If it's rejected, use whatever system your state has to fix whatever the problem is. If you are voting in person, plan for a whole day. Bring a folding chair or camp stool. Bring water. Review the rules on your state's website for where and how to vote. Mask up and offer to drive people to the polls. Bring ID with you in case a Repub is there to challenge votes. If you are not permitted to vote for any reason or are told you can only cast a provisional ballot, call this number: 1-833-Democrat-VOTE (1-833-336-8683). Voting lines are not a protest venue, and most states prohibit electioneering within a certain distance of a polling place. Do not say or do anything that would give someone an excuse to report you to law enforcement.

6. Be skeptical. If you receive a piece of mail, an e-mail or a phone call informing you of a last minute change to your voting place or day, check your state's website.

7. Don't panic. (Worth saying twice.)

[_Themis]

I agree with Res Ipsa. Trump is a blowhard who will probably say the election was stolen from him but is unlikely to stop the transition to a new President. The real worry is violence from Trump supporters after the election. The sad thing is Trump may rig the election enough to win. What happens then?

Mail in ballets is a great idea, but drop boxes so one does not have to depend on the post system is a fantastic idea.

[_Res Ipsa]

If Trump supporters commit crimes after the election, it's a law enforcement problem. Just like the people who burn stuff during protests.

What do you mean by "rig?" There certainly may be legal battles over whether states have followed their own laws about vote counting. But Trump doesn't have the power to tell states which votes they can count. And how many state legislators would be willing to commit political suicide for Trump by ignoring the voters in their state? So how is he going to rig it?

[_Themis]

What do you mean by "rig?"

The main one is slowing down the mail-in ballots so many will not arrive on time to be counted. In past elections it was not an issue since most didn't use it and both sides probably used it about the same. This time we know democrats want to use it at much higher rates then republicans. Other rigging could be less polling stations to drive up wait times and people just going leaving. This one I believe is a state responsibility, but much of that is done to help Trump. The US does seem to have a lot more voter suppression going on compared to other western democracies these days.

[Guest]

I wish that every time Trump lies about mail-in ballots being highly susceptible to fraud at his news conferences, that every reporter in the room would immediately call him out on that lie and, point out that even according to the highly conservative Heritage Foundation, actual voter fraud is extremely rare, and very likely to be caught when it occurs.

As with other forms of voting, documented cases of mail-ballot fraud are extremely rare.

The conservative Heritage Foundation, which has warned of the risks of mail voting, found 14 cases of attempted mail fraud out of roughly 15.5 million ballots cast in Oregon since that state started conducting elections by mail in 1998.

The most prominent cases of mail fraud have involved campaigns, not voters. North Carolina invalidated the results of a 2018 congressional election after state officials found that a Republican campaign operative had orchestrated a ballot fraud scheme.

Experts say those scenarios can be minimized by nixing requirements -- currently in place in 11 states -- which instruct voters to get at least one witness to sign their return envelopes.

“All of these policies remove the need to hand over your ballot to someone you don’t know,” said Tammy Patrick, a former election official in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Yet Trump insists on repeating this lie every chance he gets.

Journalists should immediately call Trump and/or Barr out on this lie, each and every time they repeat it.

Typically, less than one millionth of the votes are found to be fraudulent, despite robust procedures in place to detect and eliminate them.