The Idea of Secession

[canpakes]

Explain how that works, please.

Raise federal rax rates to pay for Covid "infrastructure" and stimulus checks. Or just inflate the dollar as a sort of hidden tax upon those states whose people work to pay for eternal lockdown in blue states.

How is either selective only against so-called ‘free’ states like Texas, Florida or LA?

Also - if you would be so kind as to do so, please define what makes these three states ‘free’, as opposed to the others that are ‘socialist’.

By the way, hurricane cleanups are going to be a bitch for the New Confederacy. You’re right that there will be plenty for everyone to do, but there’ll be precious little money to do it with.

[ceeboo]

Hey Schmo

Let's imagine what would happen if the US actually broke apart.

In my opinion, the United States of America, for the most part, has already broken apart (I understand that secession hasn't happened and I highly doubt that a literal secession is even practical and/or possible at this point in America's journey)

Tons of people and businesses are already relocating directly because of this break - Politics/ideologies (Moving out of "blue" states and moving to "red" states or the other way around is a thing. A real thing!) Families across the country have not seen their loved ones in years because of this break. Holiday gatherings are becoming smaller because of this break. Social media has already become a space where disdain, vitriol, and hatred has completely taken over these platforms.

People don't engage one another (politicians or citizens) the way they used to. It's becoming more and more common for people/politicians to only engage other people that share their particular ideology and to dismiss/reject those that don't. In addition, it's also becoming more and more common for people on the political left to get their "news" from only politically left sources and for people on the political right to get their "news" from only politically right sources. This, in my opinion, ought to cause people to stop and thing about what "news" actually is in today's America - And what impact it may have on individuals, relationships, and families who are consuming this "news" 24/7.

So yeah, I'm not convinced that you need to imagine what would happen if the US actually broke apart - because I think if you take a step back and consider the "United" part of the United States of America, you will see that the US has already been broke apart.

In short, there is very little uniting going on - Division is clearly running rampant across this country and I have no idea how the current course can be altered. Scary and very concerning in my opinion.

Just my take.

[ajax18]

By the way, hurricane cleanups are going to be a bitch for the New Confederacy. You’re right that there will be plenty for everyone to do, but there’ll be precious little money to do it with.

There won't be any bad precedents set during Hurricane Katrina to follow. Most people will not choose to build in the flood plane. People will be permitted to exercise common sense and cut down 80 foot tall, 3,000 lb pine trees before they build their house, not after. We'll have all the capital we'd ever need as investors from all over the world would seek us out due to our competitively low taxes. We'll build the strongest military the world has ever seen.

[ajax18]

Politics/ideologies (Moving out of "blue" states and moving to "red" states or the other way around is a thing.

To me that wouldn't be a bad thing if people actually did move to states based on their political ideology. Unfortunately New Yorkers bring that same ideology that destroyed New York with them to Florida.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hey Schmo

Let's imagine what would happen if the US actually broke apart.

In my opinion, the United States of America, for the most part, has already broken apart (I understand that secession hasn't happened and I highly doubt that a literal secession is even practical and/or possible at this point in America's journey)

Tons of people and businesses are already relocating directly because of this break - Politics/ideologies (Moving out of "blue" states and moving to "red" states or the other way around is a thing. A real thing!) Families across the country have not seen their loved ones in years because of this break. Holiday gatherings are becoming smaller because of this break. Social media has already become a space where disdain, vitriol, and hatred has completely taken over these platforms.

People don't engage one another (politicians or citizens) the way they used to. It's becoming more and more common for people/politicians to only engage other people that share their particular ideology and to dismiss/reject those that don't. In addition, it's also becoming more and more common for people on the political left to get their "news" from only politically left sources and for people on the political right to get their "news" from only politically right sources. This, in my opinion, ought to cause people to stop and thing about what "news" actually is in today's America - And what impact it may have on individuals, relationships, and families who are consuming this "news" 24/7.

So yeah, I'm not convinced that you need to imagine what would happen if the US actually broke apart - because I think if you take a step back and consider the "United" part of the United States of America, you will see that the US has already been broke apart.

In short, there is very little uniting going on - Division is clearly running rampant across this country and I have no idea how the current course can be altered. Scary and very concerning in my opinion.

Just my take.

This is very true. I’d say it breaks down along urban versus suburban and rural lines. I moved out of SLC where it’s bananapants-Liberal-flirting-with-whatever-the-“F”-is-just-past-Liberal to Smalltown, USA where it’s bananapants-Conservative-Trump-country, like, Trump train crazy. In other words, we have two countries existing within one state. There is no bridging the gap, ideologically.

- Doc

[ajax18]

This is very true. I’d say it breaks down along urban versus suburban and rural lines. I moved out of SLC where it’s bananapants-Liberal-flirting-with-whatever-the-“F”-is-just-past-Liberal to Smalltown, USA where it’s bananapants-Conservative-Trump-country, like, Trump train crazy. In other words, we have two countries existing within one state. There is no bridging the gap, ideologically.

- Doc

Suppose Smalltown, USA were a separate country with Trump still as the president. Would you still have moved there?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

This is very true. I’d say it breaks down along urban versus suburban and rural lines. I moved out of SLC where it’s bananapants-Liberal-flirting-with-whatever-the-“F”-is-just-past-Liberal to Smalltown, USA where it’s bananapants-Conservative-Trump-country, like, Trump train crazy. In other words, we have two countries existing within one state. There is no bridging the gap, ideologically.

- Doc

Suppose Smalltown, USA were a separate country with Trump still as the president. Would you still have moved there?

No, because I’m an American. However, in fairness to your question I was going to live in Brazil for a year, before Covid threw a wrench in my plans, so my moving to one location over another has less to do with politics (hence my jumping from the crazy frying pan into the crazy fire, so to speak), and more about pursuing a lifestyle I find interesting. In fact, I was *this* close to moving to WV - I found a five acre property with a creek running through it, near the AT, that I wanted to buy, but the realtor was non-responsive so I moved on. The point being it’s precisely because we live in a united states bound together by a federal government, where there are common laws, policies, and currency that allows me to move around I was able to do so with relative ease. I’ve bought and sold properties in Washington, CA, AZ, NC, AL, and now UT. This facilitates business and mobility, being a united country, but dicing it along ideological lines would be disastrous for the total marketplace. It’s a terrible idea based off aversion to other people’s personal choices.

- Doc

[ajax18]

No, because I’m an American. However, in fairness to your question I was going to live in Brazil for a year, before Covid threw a wrench in my plans, so my moving to one location over another has less to do with politics (hence my jumping from the crazy frying pan into the crazy fire, so to speak), and more about pursuing a lifestyle I find interesting. In fact, I was *this* close to moving to WV - I found a five acre property with a creek running through it, near the AT, that I wanted to buy, but the realtor was non-responsive so I moved on. The point being it’s precisely because we live in a united states bound together by a federal government, where there are common laws, policies, and currency that allows me to move around I was able to do so with relative ease. I’ve bought and sold properties in Washington, CA, AZ, NC, AL, and now UT. This facilitates business and mobility, being a united country, but dicing it along ideological lines would be disastrous for the total marketplace. It’s a terrible idea based off aversion to other people’s personal choices.

- Doc

Would you avoid coming to Florida because of DeSantis bad policies on COVID?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

No, because I’m an American. However, in fairness to your question I was going to live in Brazil for a year, before Covid threw a wrench in my plans, so my moving to one location over another has less to do with politics (hence my jumping from the crazy frying pan into the crazy fire, so to speak), and more about pursuing a lifestyle I find interesting. In fact, I was *this* close to moving to WV - I found a five acre property with a creek running through it, near the AT, that I wanted to buy, but the realtor was non-responsive so I moved on. The point being it’s precisely because we live in a united states bound together by a federal government, where there are common laws, policies, and currency that allows me to move around I was able to do so with relative ease. I’ve bought and sold properties in Washington, CA, AZ, NC, AL, and now UT. This facilitates business and mobility, being a united country, but dicing it along ideological lines would be disastrous for the total marketplace. It’s a terrible idea based off aversion to other people’s personal choices.

- Doc

Would you avoid coming to Florida because of DeSantis bad policies on COVID?

I dunno. Did you read my post? I’d have to weigh the pros and cons of going to Florida. What does that have to do with secession?

- Doc

[ajax18]

I dunno. Did you read my post? I’d have to weigh the pros and cons of going to Florida. What does that have to do with secession?

- Doc

I'm just saying that since Florida is such a dangerous place and COVID petri dish due to right wing pandemic policies and lack of lockdowns, masking, etc, I would think people would be scared to go there. But they're not and sadly they're bringing their failed liberal politics with them. Home prices are skyrocketing in Florida.

No, because I’m an American.

You can still draw your social security check in Costa Rica. You can even use your Medicare at the hospital there. If Texas were a different country and you wanted to live there for some nonpolitical reason, why would that be any different?