Will VA be like Florida or PA?

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Xenophon wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:24 pm

I'm sure no matter what the result is there will be a thousand different reasons and maybe even more talked about or blamed. The one talked about least is that American politics always has this ebb and flow where the public seems to switch between support of varying leanings. Democrats have had several good elections, is it possible that the pendulum swing is just getting faster in our more partisan times?
Excellent point.

We are not just partisan, we are filtering and organizing based on our partisan biases. Add celebrity jock-sniffing and it becomes like pop culture politics. If Justin Bieber had run for president when he was 17, he may have won.
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Cultellus wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:17 pm
To put that in perspective - The so-called Big Lie becomes less of a lie when gasoline costs twice as much, rent doubles, there is a limit on how many boxes of diapers I can buy and a used truck costs more than it did last year. When real life is telling you it was all a crock of crap, it doesn't matter what Joy Reid thinks.

Nah. The Big Lie remains just as much a Big Lie regardless of how much it costs to buy stuff.
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One of the other narratives I'm seeing pop up is about turnout in relation to "The Big Lie". Lots of conservative voices believe that line cost them Senate seats in Georgia.
This is one where I really disagree with Ben Shapiro. Trump's rhetoric on election fraud had nothing to do with Republican voter turnout in the Georgia senate races. Republicans lost those races for the same reason Trump lost Georgia. They failed to clean up the voter rolls and limit voter fraud as De Santis did in Florida. Both Georgia and Florida have undergone similar shifts in demographics.


I'm curious if that will continue if it turns out Youngkin doesn't bring it home or will we just flush it down the memory hole like so many other things...
Demographic changes in the greater D.C. area have made Virginia solidly blue for over 25 years. Youngkin should not even be close in this race. Democrats have overplayed their hand in pushing critical race theory in public schools along with lying about the number of sexual assaults that have occured since biological boys were permitted in the biological girls bathroom. McCaullife insisting that parents have no right to decide what the state teaches in public school was an unforced error on his part. Obama calling the forcible sodomy of a 15 year old girl by a 15 year old boy in skirt a phony scandal didn't really help the Democrat cause either. The arrest of the victim's father Scott Smith in retaliation for speaking out at the school board meeting and the subsequent effort to jail him and make him the face of right wing domestic terrorism by the public school teacher's union and attorney general Merrick Garland hasn't played out well in the minds of suburban Democrats. In fact it appears to have awakened some suburban liberals from their confused political views. I find it amazing that the same people griping about mass incarceration in the US were so insistent that the father of the victim be jailed for 10 days for merely telling a personal experience at a board meeting that went against the transgender activists narrative.
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If this is an election that hinges on toilets and children's books, the GOP has already lost.

If this is an election that hinges on the general direction of VA, including employment and inflation, then the GOP will have a coin flip chance. But not a regular coin flip chance. More like a coin flip where the GOP must get 5/6 correct and all five must be sequential. The GOP still doesn't have any solid foundational principles for governing or winning elections.

I would be selling the GOP in this election. People do not trust this process enough to care a lot. They are not going to rally for a VA election that they will probably lose no matter what.
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Cultellus wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:44 pm
If this is an election that hinges on toilets and children's books, the GOP has already lost.

If this is an election that hinges on the general direction of VA, including employment and inflation, then the GOP will have a coin flip chance. But not a regular coin flip chance. More like a coin flip where the GOP must get 5/6 correct and all five must be sequential. The GOP still doesn't have any solid foundational principles for governing or winning elections.

I would be selling the GOP in this election. People do not trust this process enough to care a lot. They are not going to rally for a VA election that they will probably lose no matter what.
I'm going to vote right now! Probably won't matter though. I'm sure Terry McAuliffe will probably find a million or So ballots in the back of a Toyota Camry tomorrow and win HUGELY. I don't see the republican winning, but who knows, I might be surprised.
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I'm going to vote right now! Probably won't matter though. I'm sure Terry McAuliffe will probably find a million or So ballots in the back of a Toyota Camry tomorrow and win HUGELY. I don't see the republican winning, but who knows, I might be surprised.
I don't see a Republican winning either. There's just too many welfare cases and too much vote harvesting in the Democratic ground game to compete.
Republicans have to win by at least 5 percentage points minimum due to voter fraud. This is partly why Democrats on the Loudon County school board have not been shy about pushing their radical leftist agenda. The only real way to preserve freedom against the tide of communism is secession from urban America. The way things are looking Russia's president would be a more likely ally to individual liberty than the US president. That's ironic.
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There was no voter fraud. You're just making crap up as always, never backing your assertions with evidence.
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canpakes wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:17 pm
To put that in perspective - The so-called Big Lie becomes less of a lie when gasoline costs twice as much, rent doubles, there is a limit on how many boxes of diapers I can buy and a used truck costs more than it did last year. When real life is telling you it was all a crock of crap, it doesn't matter what Joy Reid thinks.
Nah. The Big Lie remains just as much a Big Lie regardless of how much it costs to buy stuff.
It's quite remarkable what simpletons some people don't mind showing themselves to be.

Inflation happened, therefore the election was rigged? (Apparently, while suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, people will think Biden has control over how much used trucks cost and how many diapers you can buy, among other things).

There is no word for that severity of stupidity.
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ajax18 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:03 pm
The way things are looking Russia's president would be a more likely ally to individual liberty than the US president.
Nope.

Not even you believe that.
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Just catching up on 538s coverage and I thought this little nugget was interesting.
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