PSA For Progressives: A Vehicle Is A Weapon. Minneapolis Women Dead After Driving Towards ICE Agent

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I can’t see what see what the disgusting stankass is posting, but I have to assume it’s something akin to what these super super white people are doing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/s/xhopUN0Kly

One of the favors the thick-skulled, smooth-brained HoH/Atlanticmike did for me was to show me day in and day out just how damned retarded white people are, generally speaking. It’s no wonder they saw in Dump a kindred spirit, because given that circumstances were flipped they’d do the same stupid crap he’s doing now.

[canpakes]

So, she tried to kill him before he shot?

In that case, I knew there was more to the story than just some rogue agent gunning down a fleeing arrestee.

There are a surprising number of videos out there that captured the incident, and they can be used to test how accurate Hound’s claim is.

There is one angle from far away that makes it appear that the vehicle ‘hit’ the officers, due to the distance from the scene that the video was taken, and because the view was partially blocked. This makes the shooter appear much closer to the car than he actually was.

There are several closer videos that show much more and better information:

1. The driver backed up to move, then turned her wheel to the right when beginning to move forward, to avoid all officers.

2. The fellow who discharged his weapon did so after the car was already beginning its pass of him. At least one shot entered the lower corner of the windshield, and at one point he appears to be firing at the side of her head, with his third shot … In other words, at a 90-degree angle to the path of vehicle travel, firing through the open car door window. He was clearly in no danger of being struck when the scene is viewed from the closer angles.

There’s a reason why right-wing media is relying on pretty much this single video here, from the farthest distance, with the worst angle, as it appears to support the narrative of a driver trying to ‘run down’ police. Even Hound - the fellow who starts threads with pretty pics and ludicrous video links - needed to get three posts in before linking to any video, and when he does it ends up being this video.

The NYT presents a good analysis of what happened, and includes footage from multiple angles and closer distances.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000 ... video.html

Check it out, Shades.

[Chap]

So, she tried to kill him before he shot?

In that case, I knew there was more to the story than just some rogue agent gunning down a fleeing arrestee.

There are a surprising number of videos out there that captured the incident, and they can be used to test how accurate Hound’s claim is.


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The NYT presents a good analysis of what happened, and includes footage from multiple angles and closer distances.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000 ... video.html

Check it out, Shades.

The video I saw was pretty good at showing that the agent was not in danger. But the NYT images make it crystal clear (note the position of the agent's legs relative to the car when he fires) that he was not standing in the way of the car, but fired through the windshield as the car was already moving past him and was no threat to him.

I'd really like to know how much training that agent had before he was let out on the street to menace, and in this case kill, US citizens with a firearm.

[Doctor Steuss]

She bumped his leg. Every single shot he fired at her, was while he was at the side of the car.

In America, bumping a federal agent's leg with a car doesn't carry an extra-judicial death penalty.

Incidentally (as a PSA for people who care about law and order... i.e. not Hound), the ICE agents had no legal authority to try to detain her in the first place. ICE cannot legally detain someone for traffic violations. The only way they had legal authority to try to detain that mother was if they had reasonable suspicion that she was violating federal immigration law.

For patriotic Americans who care about the law, they had no right to try to detain her in the first place. They definitely didn't have the right to summarily execute her because they were actively violating her rights, and violating the law by attempting to exercise police powers that they don't have.

There is a certain irony though, watching people who support individuals who tried to murder Capitol officers being pardoned so they can go back into the general public to rape children, and murder people... but federal agents violating someone's rights, and getting their leg bumped by a car, EGADS, FETCH MY FAINTING COUCH!

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

This is what I defended? This is how we operate on our own soil against our own citizens? The president gets to flip the script and turn the victim into an aggressor? From my experience, if you pulled some crap like this overseas, your ass is instantly getting investigated. Now I get it, military acts off ROE's and ICE sits in a grey area between law enforcement and military. It doesn't seem neither rules really apply to them, but let me break this down how I see it.

Step 1. There was a parked car in the road. Step 2. A uniformed agents approaches the car and tries to force entry into it. Step 3. Vehicle panics from attempted force entry and tries to leave. Step 4. Another agent perceives the movement as a threat. Step 5. Agent uses leathal force.

In my opinion, the only reason step 5 happened is because of the unnecessary chaos created by one agent in step 2. This is not self defense. This is escalation disguised as a reaction.

This reminds me of some reports back in Iraq where Marine Corps snipers were allegedly placing objects in the streets that resembled items that could be used for making IED's or other explosives, and then justified killing anyone who interacted with them by saying they were obviously going to me making weapons with them. I see some similarities in the actions here and it does not lead to anything good. I don't see the need for this to be happening on US soil.

- An Iraq & Afghanistan Veteran

All these keyboard warriors cheering this on don’t understand that they’ll be touched by this too if things go hot.

[Doctor Steuss]

All these keyboard warriors cheering this on don’t understand that they’ll be touched by this too if things go hot.

Regarding #2 in the list of events, the ICE agent had no legal authority to try to force entry. The agent that stepped in front of the car to try to stop it had no legal authority to do so.

They had no evidence that either of the occupants of the vehicle were violating federal immigration law.

ETA: Anecdotal (so take it for what it's worth), but I was chatting with a friend who is a Sgt with LVMPD last night while we were killing us some robots on Arc Raiders, and he mentioned that under previous administrations, ICE activities were done in coordination with local law enforcement, for this very reason. If someone is violating municipal, state, or federal laws that are outside of immigration (but impacting the operation), local police are able to handle it while ICE successfully carries out their limited scope. Now, ICE often just kind of shows up like a clandestine paramilitary force with little to no coordination with local law enforcement.

[Chap]

Noem on Fox News:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/chaos-minneso ... 24017.html

“It was an act of domestic terrorism. ICE Officers got stuck in the snow. They were attempting to push out their vehicle, and a woman attacked them, and those surrounding them, and attempted to run them over.”

She just doesn't have a clue. No video shows that happening. And yet she is perfectly happy to defame the dead woman, summarily executed by an ICE agent.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

They just lie and project. THEY would run people over therefore SHE attempted to run someone over.

Conservatives. This is the government you feared for decades past. It’s here.

[¥akaSteelhead]

For patriotic Americans who care about the law, they had no right to try to detain her in the first place. They definitely didn't have the right to summarily execute her because they were actively violating her rights, and violating the law by attempting to exercise police powers that they don't have.

This^^^^
Some where along the way the nation has lost sight of the narrative. If these agents weren't out and about ignoring the rule of law and due process, then this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

Undertrained, gun happy, agents en mass interfacing with a public they mostly have no jurisdiction over........... Going to end well.
https://www.ms.now/opinion/ice-minneapo ... Trump-maga

[canpakes]

All these keyboard warriors cheering this on don’t understand that they’ll be touched by this too if things go hot.

I’m sure that you’ve heard folks like Stephen Miller and Jesse Waters ranting in the last few days about how the US Government gets to take what it wants when it wants to. Miller sounded like an angry, emotionally stunted teenage cuck on a revenge binge during an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper.

This Administration won’t give a whit about the civil or property rights of any MAGA voter if those stand in the way of what the Administration wants. If this keeps up, a few of them are going to end up surprised at the outcome.